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Featured The Power Of Circular Reasoning

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, Jun 21, 2019.

  1. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Well-Known Member

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    Yep. :)
     
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    God is all-knowing but that does not mean we cannot CHOOSE to do what God knows we will do.
    God could stop us from doing it since God is omnipotent, but God did not give us free will because he planned to stop us from doing what we choose to do.
     
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    As a non christian why do you care how they follow their religion? And if you know the answer to their question. Why not help the to see the light ?
     
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    So that means you know better then them how to be a christian?
     
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    Trailblazer Well-Known Member

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    NO, not at all.....
    I do not know how to be a Christian at all....
    Only Christians know how to be Christians. :)

    I do not know how to be a Buddhist either...
    Only Buddhists know how to be Buddhists. :)
     
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    That was what i hoped you would answer :) Sorry if it felt i jumped at you with my comment. it just surprised me the way you phrased you post :)

    Only one who study the teachings deeply can know how to be exmple Christian or Buddhist or BahaƬ in my understanding. So i do not understand why someone who have no belief think they know religion at all.
     
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    No problem... Things often get misconstrued on these forums. :oops:
    I fully agree... :D
     
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    No, God sees what choice the person makes. If the person were to make a different choice, God would see that too. There's actually a doctrine called Molinism which states that God can see all possible futures or circumstances so I guess He would still be omnipotent and all-knowing.
     
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    Most scientific theories weren't delivered to "any of us alive today." They are true nonetheless.

    Human beings don't always screw up.
     
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    You are working from the assumptions that:

    The human brain is merely mechanical

    Human beings are no more than their bodies (brains included)

    Nothing exists other than nature

    If something isn't humanly observable (directly or with scientific instruments), it doesn't exist.

    These are all mere assumptions; and amount to an idolatrous belief in the human brain.
     
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    Which merely begs the question - why did the Big Bang happen ?
     
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    Because Jesus Christ is - as he said - the Light of this dark world.

    As true now as when He said it.

    Jesus is also the only Hope for us either as individuals or as the human race.

    If you know of any other Light or Hope in this world, please let me know !
     
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    The only alternatives to Hell are: (1) Letting the evil roam free, destroying everything and everybody; (2) annihilating the evil - thus robbing them of their wish to be eternally evil.

    The sadness of this world (e.g. terminal illness) ? : it is a fallen world,as Fallen as ourselves. To chain people to it indefinitely would be the height of cruelty. But God promises that there will one day be "A new Heaven and a new earth [universe]"

    Which Biblical authors ? - there is development of religious thought within the Old Testament and from there to the New Testament - it was devout Christians who led the opposition to the slave trade and to slavery itself.

    You don't need science to see that violence, dishonesty etc are wrong. And without a religious revelation, ethics is merely human opinion, about which there can never be agreement.
     
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    No, because no ethical matters - no question of good or evil - were involved; in that particular instance.

    But when (for example) you have to choose between being kind and being indifferent, being forgiving and being vengeful ?

    In such cases, Good and Evil (which ARE supernatural) are involved.
     
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    Good and evil are part of human nature what is 'supernatural' about that?
     
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    Matthew's Gospel was written soon after the Resurrection.

    And on what grounds do you deny the testimony of the Gospels ?

    Purely on your wish not to believe them.
     
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    Well for one thing, our existence in the first place - we are created by nature, but nature didn't create itself - God created it.

    Good and evil are supernatural terms - since they have no place in nature.

    Our capacity, as individuals, to choose between them is god-like; i.e. above the natural.
     
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    It was written about 70 years after Jesus died, apparently. The gospel writers created their version of Jesus, most of what is attributed to the guy just isn't in the least bit credible, imo.
     
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    That is your belief, you don't have any evidence to back it up.
     
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    "Apparently" - every scholar has his or her own opinion on the matter !

    What Jesus did isn't credible if He was a mere human being - but is eminently credible if He was also God.

    And what makes you think He wasn't ?
     
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