the old and the new testament

[IndigoChild5559]

in orthodoxy, we are taught that the new testament is greater than the old testament, that is why we use the epithet ''old'' for the old testament. it's kind of, the ''new'' testament replacing the ''old''. if there are any contradictions between the two, the new testament prevails. it makes sense. the words of christ are words of god himself, and they prevail the old.

I realize this is an ancient thread that someone resurrected, but I can't resist replying.

The Tanakh aka the Old Testament is the original. It is the standard, the measuring reed by which all other texts are compared to to see if they are of God. If there is a contradiction between the Tanakh and the New Testament, it would simply mean that the New Testament is not of God.

 

[ElishaElijah]

In my opinion, your opinion ignores reality. These two religions differ on many central and important topics. There is really very little that we agree upon. Judaism is far more aligned with Islam than it is with Christianity.

Please explain what you believe to be the differences between Judaism and Christianity.

 

[Rival]

Please explain what you believe to be the differences between Judaism and Christianity.

Akivah hasn't been on since 2019.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It's really quite simple. Christianity uses a different bible than Judaism uses. That's why we have different theologies.

Essentially Christianity hijacked Judaism among others.

The entire religion is basically a hodgepodge of borrowed theology mainly of pagan and Judaic origins from various sources masquerading as being something unique.

 

[stanberger]

Please explain what you believe to be the differences between Judaism and Christianity.

are u kidding. jews are monotheists. christians worship the trinity trigod voted on at nicea 325ad

 

[stanberger]

Essentially Christianity hijacked Judaism among others.

The entire religion is basically a hodgepodge of borrowed theology mainly of pagan and Judaic origins from various sources masquerading as being something unique.

why just because church clergy voted for trinity trigod at nicea 325ad and worship on sun day. the day Rome worshipped the sun god

 

[ElishaElijah]

are u kidding. jews are monotheists. christians worship the trinity trigod voted on at nicea 325ad

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the same God I worship. He is One God and hasn’t changed. He is the triune God from Genesis to Revelation.

 

[stanberger]

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the same God I worship. He is One God and hasn’t changed. He is the triune God from Genesis to Revelation.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the same God I worship. He is One God and hasn’t changed. He is the triune God from Genesis to Revelation.

go tell that to the church clergy they worship a trinity trigod. foreign to Jesus. unless of course you are in the Unitarian church [11 million members] they have a shot at heaven

 

[metis]

What some don't get is the "Trinity" does not posit three gods as the Catholic belief is that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are of the "essence" of God.

Essence

1. the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, especially something abstract, that determines its character

 

[stanberger]

What some don't get is the "Trinity" does not posit three gods as the Catholic belief is that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are of the "essence" of God.

Essence

1. the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, especially something abstract, that determines its character

oh. I get it. kind of like an egg. the shell. egg white and yolk. lol

 

[Hawkins]

in orthodoxy, we are taught that the new testament is greater than the old testament, that is why we use the epithet ''old'' for the old testament. it's kind of, the ''new'' testament replacing the ''old''. if there are any contradictions between the two, the new testament prevails. it makes sense. the words of christ are words of god himself, and they prevail the old.

The big picture is that God made use of the Mosaic covenant to demonstrate the effect of what God's Law could mean, such that humans can have a grasp on what God's Grace is through Jesus Christ. God's Law applies to both angels and humans, however, it is not easy to be demonstrated to humans. In a nutshell, when God's Law (the set of laws applicable to both humans and angels) applies, no human can pass the Final Judgment of Law. All humans shall die as a result witnessed from Adam till Noah. So if God has only Law then 2/3 angels can pass the Final Judgment to enter heaven, but with no human saved. Jesus' self-sacrifice at some point in humanity, it makes possible that humans are judged by covenants instead of Law. That's how Noah received the first covenant with humanity extended.

A covenant is an attempt to make a cut on humans to separate the saved/righteous from the unsaved/wicked. A covenant severs the purpose of identifying the righteous. However, humans keep going further away from God that a covenant may no longer distinguish the righteous from the wicked, just as it is described, "no one is righteous, not even one". Under that circumstance, a newer covenant must be in place to perform the job of identifying the righteous, as under the older covenant even the righteous are classified as 'violated the older covenant'.

What the New Covenant says basically is that by behavior a covenant can no longer identify the righteous from the wicked as they more or less behave the same, committing the same set of crimes on a daily basis. Thus it is given up to employ deeds or behavior as a measurement tool. Instead faith is used for the purpose of identifying the righteous from the wicked.

 

[ElishaElijah]

oh. I get it. kind of like an egg. the shell. egg white and yolk. lol

Nope, not like that

 

[stanberger]

The big picture is that God made use of the Mosaic covenant to demonstrate the effect of what God's Law could mean, such that humans can have a grasp on what God's Grace is through Jesus Christ. God's Law applies to both angels and humans, however, it is not easy to be demonstrated to humans. In a nutshell, when God's Law (the set of laws applicable to both humans and angels) applies, no human can pass the Final Judgment of Law. All humans shall die as a result witnessed from Adam till Noah. So if God has only Law then 2/3 angels can pass the Final Judgment to enter heaven, but with no human saved. Jesus' self-sacrifice at some point in humanity, it makes possible that humans are judged by covenants instead of Law. That's how Noah received the first covenant with humanity extended.

A covenant is an attempt to make a cut on humans to separate the saved/righteous from the unsaved/wicked. A covenant severs the purpose of identifying the righteous. However, humans keep going further away from God that a covenant may no longer distinguish the righteous from the wicked, just as it is described, "no one is righteous, not even one". Under that circumstance, a newer covenant must be in place to perform the job of identifying the righteous, as under the older covenant even the righteous are classified as 'violated the older covenant'.

What the New Covenant says basically is that by behavior a covenant can no longer identify the righteous from the wicked as they more or less behave the same, committing the same set of crimes on a daily basis. Thus it is given up to employ deeds or behavior as a measurement tool. Instead faith is used for the purpose of identifying the righteous from the wicked.

paul[founder of christianity] and satan shared the same mantra ' god is not one [trinity] and god deeds useless' Thomas Jefferson ' Paul the first corruptor of the doctrines of Jesus '

 

[Hawkins]

paul[founder of christianity] and satan shared the same mantra ' god is not one [trinity] and god deeds useless' Thomas Jefferson ' Paul the first corruptor of the doctrines of Jesus '

The Bible is the sole source for humans to get to know who God is. The Bible is a testimony from those witnesses chosen by God. It is by their testimonies that you know who God is. Thus you are not more clear about who God is than the eyewitnesses called the prophets. Similarly, we know who Jesus is from the testimonies of His own chosen disciples. You can hardly be more clear on who Jesus is than the disciples are. While Thomas called Jesus his God and his Lord. John also described Him as the Word who was with God, and the Word is God.

The disciples are the chosen witnesses of Jesus. Their testimonies in the end formed the gospels of the disciples. Paul is called supernaturally the same as the OT prophets. Paul's job is to lay a theological foundation for Christianity, simply because Paul is a Pharisee professed to view things from the point of view of Law.

 

[stanberger]

The Bible is the sole source for humans to get to know who God is. The Bible is a testimony from those witnesses chosen by God. It is by their testimonies that you know who God is. Thus you are not more clear about who God is than the eyewitnesses called the prophets. Similarly, we know who Jesus is from the testimonies of His own chosen disciples. You can hardly be more clear on who Jesus is than the disciples are. While Thomas called Jesus his God and his Lord. John also described Him as the Word who was with God, and the Word is God.

The disciples are the chosen witnesses of Jesus. Their testimonies in the end formed the gospels of the disciples. Paul is called supernaturally the same as the OT prophets. Paul's job is to lay a theological foundation for Christianity, simply because Paul is a Pharisee professed to view things from the point of view of Law.

nope Jesus himself informed us of who he is. Jesus ' the greatest command is to worship our lord the one god only with all your heart and mind ' Jesus ' father greater than I. I can do nothing on my own ' exit the church teaching trinity or man/god and find a good Unitarian church

 

[Twilight Hue]

are u kidding. jews are monotheists. christians worship the trinity trigod voted on at nicea 325ad

Trinity is a type of monotheism.

 

[ElishaElijah]

paul[founder of christianity] and satan shared the same mantra ' god is not one [trinity] and god deeds useless' Thomas Jefferson ' Paul the first corruptor of the doctrines of Jesus '

You sound confused, Paul wasn’t the founder of Christianity. To be clear Jesus is the Head of the Church, which is His Body. The Church has many members world wide throughout history. The Church is all believers who have repented of their sins, received forgiveness and received the gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ. They have been born of the Holy Spirit who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we get to Heaven.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You sound confused, Paul wasn’t the founder of Christianity. To be clear Jesus is the Head of the Church, which is His Body. The Church has many members world wide throughout history. The Church is all believers who have repented of their sins, received forgiveness and received the gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ. They have been born of the Holy Spirit who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we get to Heaven.

The Christian church as it came to exist depends almost entirely on Pauline doctrine. Paul makes up the overwhelming majority of the New Testament. It is therefore reasonable to say that Paul is the founder of Christianity.

 

[stanberger]

The Christian church as it came to exist depends almost entirely on Pauline doctrine. Paul makes up the overwhelming majority of the New Testament. It is therefore reasonable to say that Paul is the founder of Christianity.

absolutely Paul the founder

 

[ElishaElijah]

The Christian church as it came to exist depends almost entirely on Pauline doctrine. Paul makes up the overwhelming majority of the New Testament. It is therefore reasonable to say that Paul is the founder of Christianity.

No because although he was one of the Apostles and wrote a lot of the letters to the churches he wasn’t the founder. The term Christian means follower of Christ, so no he wasn’t the founder or originator of the followers of Christ. Jesus Christ is the founder, we follow and worship Him.

“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:15-20‬ ‭NKJV‬‬