serp777
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Ironic, given that many physicists and cosmologists feel the multiverse hypothesis is religious in nature:
"Despite the growing popularity of the multiverse proposal, it must be admitted that many physicists remain deeply uncomfortable with it. The reason is clear: the idea is highly speculative and, from both a cosmological and a particle physics perspective,
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Because it is as supported by evidence as "god did it" or "it's turtles all the way down."
The universe is by definition all that could possibly exist. This is a terminological issue in the literature, as often "multiverse" really refers to regions of the universe.
An irrelevant distinction. Actually, universe has been defined, in several cases, to mean everything within our space time. I wouldn't call it a terminological issue; I would call it a redefinition. But of course, that's just a matter of opinion. I will continue to use universe out of convenience.
Actually, the opposite is true. Certain outcomes of observations in quantum physics are more likely given a particular preparation and measurement of a system. According to the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, every possible outcome should be realized in some branch of the universe. Yet there is no logical basis or explanation in such interpretations for the fundamental fact that given a particular preparation and measurment, certain outcomes are more likely. In other words, if the many-worlds interpretation were true, then for some bizarre reason that totally violates all logic particular universes should result more frequently than others because of observations in a single universe that is causally unrelated to the universes in which alternative outcomes are realized. It's like saying that all possibilities of experiments are realized, but for some reason those in our universe are more likely than in the universes that we can't measure, can't observe, and have no evidence for.
No, you're confused. The probabilities would be the same in each branched universe. Your argument would be like saying that flipping a coin ten times and having it land tails each time means that the probability of landing on tails changed. Ridiculous, the probably of of flipping a coin never changed--there are simply ten realizations where the coin happened to land on tails. Then there would also be a branch for every other combination of heads and tails. If you were to average the coin flips of all the possible universes, you would arrive at the standard probability distribution. This standard probability distribution is determined by the laws of physics. This neither violates logic nor is bizarre.
Furthermore, the reason certain outcomes are more likely than others is because of the laws of Quantum Mechanics. That's the logical framework you're looking for. ALso plenty of scientists find the many world's interpretation to be reasonable and have some evidence.
https://inis.iaea.org/search/search.aspx?orig_q=RN:19024297The book explains how the paradox of Schroedinger's cat led to an understanding of reality in quantum physics. The contents of the book is divided into three parts. Part one concerns light, atoms and Bohr's atom. Quantum mechanics is discussed in Part Two, including photons and electrons, matrices and waves, and applications of quanta. The last part deals with chance and uncertainty, paradoxes and possibilities, the experimental proof of the paradoxical reality of the quantum world, and the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics. (U.K.)
This has no relevant explanatory power.
Its some evidence for the existence of other universes. I think you're confused here or you're just throwing away evidence as a convenience. Either way, ignoring evidence for the multiverse and making an irrelevant statement isn't an argument.
Inflationary theory is based purely upon mathematical niceties. There is absolutely no empirical evidence for it, and even mathematical physicists like Penrose are highly critical of such convenient mathematical tricks.
Arguing from authority that Penrose is critical isn't persuasive. It wouldn't be good science if there wasn't critical peer review. However,
http://arxiv.org/abs/1309.5381Fluctuations in the intensity and polarization of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) and the large-scale distribution of matter in the universe each contain clues about the nature of the earliest moments of time. The next generation of CMB and large-scale structure (LSS) experiments are poised to test the leading paradigm for these earliest moments---the theory of cosmic inflation---and to detect the imprints of the inflationary epoch, thereby dramatically increasing our understanding of fundamental physics and the early universe.
And here are the following authors of this paper:
K.N. Abazajian, K. Arnold, J. Austermann, B.A. Benson, C. Bischoff, J. Bock, J.R. Bond, J. Borrill, I. Buder, D.L. Burke, E. Calabrese, J.E. Carlstrom, C.S. Carvalho, C.L. Chang, H.C. Chiang, S. Church, A. Cooray, T.M. Crawford, B.P. Crill, K.S. Dawson, S. Das, M.J. Devlin, M. Dobbs, .................
Inflationary theory does have predictive power and can be tested by determining inflation's effect on the CMB. It isn't just mathematical guesswork; making such a vague and simple argument isn't sufficient. Ill cite more papers as well if you'd like.
This is completely false. Multiverse cosmologies that attempt to deal with the fine-tuning problem explain nothing; they are constructed such that the particular constants and parameter values which are problematic cease to be so because infinitely many alternatives are defined into existence without evidence just to make the appearance of the values of such parameters and constants explainable. To assert multiverse cosmologies explain fine-tuning issues is like saying that there is no solution in algebra for x/0=? because division by 0 is by definition not defined. You can't "explain" anything by defining the result to be true because it is.
Nobody is explaining anything by defining the result to be true. I never asserted that a result was true by default. In fact, I never even said the multiverse was true necesserily. Furthermore, there doesn't need to be an infinite multiverse; that's a false dilemma. There could simply be a large, but finite number of universes.
And what part of they explain why the values of certain constants are so peculiar seems like it explains nothing? An infinite number of universes would indeed explain the particular values that constants have since every possible permutation of constants would exist. A more accurate analogy would be--you can find any integer in the set of integers (which is infinite). Your analogy is inappropriate. Similarly, you can find any universe in the set of universes (the multiverse).
String theory is not only currently untestable, it also makes no predictions and cannot make any prediction even in theory because there are infinitely many ways to compactify the necessary extra spatial dimensions. In fact, string theory is so far from explaining ANYTHING that it isn't even known what the mathematical equations SHOULD be such that we would need to solve them to be able to formulate a consistent model.
Its obviously not fleshed out, but there are numerous prominent scientists pursuing this theory actively. Clearly there is something to it, or rather scientists believe that it eventually might be developed enough to have some explanatory power. Clearly a number of scientists think it has potential.
No, it isn't. You asserted that there is no evidence but you certainly haven't demonstrated it.Because it is as supported by evidence as "god did it" or "it's turtles all the way down.