1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Featured The Most Crucial Flaws Of Christianity And Atheism

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, Sep 12, 2018.

  1. Skwim

    Skwim Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    23,574
    Ratings:
    +8,309
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    Christians and atheists, what do you see as the most crucial flaw in each other's position?
    And don't be shy about it, but

    :rose:BE
    NICE:rose:
    [​IMG]

    .
     
    #1 Skwim, Sep 12, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2018
    • Funny Funny x 1
  2. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    18,581
    Ratings:
    +6,534
    Religion:
    Zen Buddhism
    Most crucial flaw in Christianity? It's not true.

    Most crucial fall in Atheism? It's not a belief.
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  3. Nakosis

    Nakosis crystal soldier
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2011
    Messages:
    10,140
    Ratings:
    +3,457
    Religion:
    Antipasto
    Flaw in Christianity - Trusting people you have no reason to be trusting.

    Flaw in Atheism - Nobody seems to be able to agree on exactly what it is.
     
    #3 Nakosis, Sep 12, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2018
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  4. Skwim

    Skwim Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    23,574
    Ratings:
    +8,309
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    Good point. I've changed the OP to reflect my oversight. :thumbsup:

    .
     
    #4 Skwim, Sep 12, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2018
  5. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Heathen Libertarian Capitalist
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    132,595
    Ratings:
    +34,143
    Religion:
    Bokononism
    The most crucial flaw.....
    Atheism: The empty set.
    Christianity: Imposition of dysfunctional morality upon the unwilling.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Baby Angels

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2014
    Messages:
    22,983
    Ratings:
    +7,508
    Religion:
    Artist and Healer
    Both go off of generalizations of each other reflecting their views of their personal experiences rather than asking each other what they believe without thought of the word christian or atheist being a label of their beliefs and worldviews.

    Christian challenges are to ask people what they believe without basing other peoples answers off the bible rather than that other persons criteria of truth.

    Another challenge for christians is to see life in another persons shoes and help themselves believe even if they do their beliefs wont be compromised nor weakened when done.

    Atheists need to understand not all christians reflect the experiences they may have with christians growing up

    Atheists also need to consider that their definition of god is not always the christians definition even though the same word is used

    Atheists need to base their arguments on the criteria to which christians hold X is true and not debate the details that come from it. (attack the source not the result)

    Atheists may also find it best to look into the christians shoes when discussing scripture

    Christians need to understand biblical quoting is not the same as discussion regardless if you want to support your points or use it to debate

    As for christianity and atheism, there arent any flaws in both worldviews just how the believers and people tend to express them based on their own bias and experiences.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  7. Brickjectivity

    Brickjectivity simple man
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2012
    Messages:
    21,737
    Ratings:
    +6,054
    Religion:
    Liberal Christian almost quaker
    Atheism: a momentary transitional state which occurs in between religious and political ideas, more of a tunnel than a critter.

    Christianity: Practically perfect in every way.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. KenS

    KenS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2013
    Messages:
    5,757
    Ratings:
    +1,488
    Religion:
    Judeo/Christian
    Christians misrepresent God many times.
    Atheists don't know God.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  9. Stevicus

    Stevicus Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2011
    Messages:
    5,188
    Ratings:
    +2,523
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    Atheism might be flawed in the sense that it arose out of a rejection of theism. If no one ever heard of God or religion and we were just dealing with life as is, then we would still be atheists - but we wouldn't actually call ourselves that. There wouldn't be any need to call it anything at all. The only reason to identify as "atheist" is because there are those who identify as "theists" (or some variation thereof). If not for that, then we'd just be people.

    As for Christianity (or any other religion, for that matter), the main flaw I see is in the expression of absolute certainty of belief. That they are so certain that their beliefs are true is the main problem, and it seems to feed into the reaction of atheists who are convinced that those beliefs are not true.

    I actually think both sides can peacefully coexist, especially since no one really knows about the "Great Beyond." The only thing that really matters is whether people are consistent and true to their stated beliefs and principles, whatever they might be.
     
  10. Audie

    Audie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2018
    Messages:
    5,825
    Ratings:
    +2,614
    Religion:
    None
    Haha
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  11. Audie

    Audie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2018
    Messages:
    5,825
    Ratings:
    +2,614
    Religion:
    None
    But you, you are a True Godsman?

    Uniquely so, like all the rest. :D


    Atheists know far more about "god" than you ever will.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  12. KenS

    KenS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2013
    Messages:
    5,757
    Ratings:
    +1,488
    Religion:
    Judeo/Christian
    IYHO
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  13. lewisnotmiller

    lewisnotmiller Grand Hat
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Messages:
    14,033
    Ratings:
    +6,802
    Religion:
    Atheist
    Most crucial flaw in Christianity is hard to answer. There's enormous diversity in Christian dogma. So perhaps I'll go with 'giving people a reason to abbrogate personal moral responsibility and consideration.'

    Atheism is tough, as it doesn't mean much at all, so I think I'll go with 'People (particularly atheists) making too much of it, treating it like a philosophy or badge.'

    Prime example was the suggestion by Dawkins of using the term 'Brights'. That is vomit-inducing, insensitive, but (most importantly) inaccurate.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  14. Misunderstood

    Misunderstood Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2015
    Messages:
    276
    Ratings:
    +226
    Religion:
    Christian
    I have to agree with Brickjectivity "Christianity: Practically perfect in every way." Except for the sins we commit.

    Atheists, just don't give God any credit; because if there was no God they would not exist.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  15. Jim

    Jim Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2004
    Messages:
    912
    Ratings:
    +486
    Religion:
    learning to follow Baha'u'llah
    Being and acting human.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. PureX

    PureX Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2006
    Messages:
    9,419
    Ratings:
    +2,735
    Religion:
    Philosophical Taoist/Christian
    Someone should probably point out that the antithetical to atheism is not Christianity.

    The main problem with Christianity is that the religion becomes it's own object of worship. It deifies itself.

    The problem with atheism is that it rejects significant positive possibility for no logical reason and for no discernible gain.
     
  17. adrian009

    adrian009 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2014
    Messages:
    6,170
    Ratings:
    +4,038
    Religion:
    Baha'i
    Most crucial flaw in Christianity? The fundamentalists who reject the theism of other faiths.

    Most crucial flaw in Atheism? Its fundamental position of rejecting theism.
     
    #17 adrian009, Sep 13, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2018
    • Like Like x 1
  18. DavidMcCann

    DavidMcCann Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2014
    Messages:
    2,203
    Ratings:
    +1,221
    Religion:
    Hellenic Polytheist
    Both: lack of evidence.

    As St Paul said, the resurection is crucial to Christianity, but nobody saw it happen — all they saw was an empty tomb.

    As for atheists, what evidence could you present for the nonexistence of anything? The atheists present even weaker arguments than the Christians: to get personal, look up to Audie's contribution. What does "haha" contribute? It's like a tweet from Trump!
     
  19. Skwim

    Skwim Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    23,574
    Ratings:
    +8,309
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    And that's why the burden of proof always lies with the party making the positive assertion. If you said that winged, polka dot unicorns don't exist, a negative assertion, would you feel you have an obligation or responsibility to "prove" your position?

    All the atheist needs to argue is that the theists/deists have failed to "prove" their case.

    .
     
    #19 Skwim, Sep 13, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2018
    • Winner Winner x 1
  20. Audie

    Audie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2018
    Messages:
    5,825
    Ratings:
    +2,614
    Religion:
    None
    Contributes nothing to those who are immune to insight.

    Take your notion that there is a one to one equivalency
    between the assertion of the existence of somethinhg
    despite a 100% lack of one freakin' datum point
    in its favour, and, the rather sensible disinclination to
    believe in such things.

    Like, say, Batboy, the lost continent of Mu, the Invisible
    Pyramid, the secret ongoing life of Elvis, and the
    efficacy of Alchemy?

    It is just as legit to believe, as to not believe?

    Surely you are joking.

    I supplied the haha.

    But you dont get the joke, it being on you.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
Loading...