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Featured The Love is not created, thus it is God???

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by questfortruth, Aug 21, 2019.

  1. questfortruth

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    Is known, that "God is Love". And the Bible indirectly says, that Spirit of Love is God, because "God is Spirit." We are making good, only if we have good mood and good spirit: "But He turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of." Luke 9:55, "for without me ye can do nothing" John 15:5, "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters." Matthew 12:30. We feel Love, but the feeling of Love is not Love Himself. Like the feeling of touching table is not the table. Love is holy unity with one you love: you are he, and he is you: two persons in united being called “couple”. And even more than one couple, it is the united humankind, the bride of God: "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in Me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me." John 17:21.

    Keywords: Love, Love at first sight, ethics, morality, science, solipsism.

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    Why do you say that "God dislikes proofs" when the Eastern Orthodox Christians shout in the temple: "Christ is Risen!"? This is the shortest proof of Christ and His Church. The grave is empty!

    God is evil?! Not! Divine Love protects His saints from Godless idiots. Why? They are the Absolute Nothing in His eyes: God of Love does not Love satan, He is angry at satan and all of his followers.

    God does not have a Goddes. So, does God lacking something beautiful? No, God is Love, and (your) Love to your friends is of the same essence as Love to your wife. Because the pagan-minded Greeks, who divided Love into separate kinds are dead wrong.

    Then, the sympathy and the readiness to help a stranger on a street is in fact the non-realized by mind the divine in essence the “Love at first sight”. The Presumption of Innocence can be read from this Bible verse: "If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them." James 4:17. Thus, the indifference with ignorance (which is common problem at first date with a woman) is from idol of evil – the satan.

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    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    Are you using an something akin to Google Translate to put your thoughts into English? If so, you should look elsewhere.
     
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    You are a bit saying not the truth. If you go deep into your heart, then you will discover the problem of yours: "too many words, I have not read", and “This is an hard saying; who can hear it?" John 6:60. So, take your time and read slowly, ask for clearence from me by email: I need a pen pal.
     
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    Your post by and large is difficult to follow and seems to be just word salad.

    However, you need to define how you are meaning the word "love". Love is essentially a human emotion, so to say that a god "is" love is to say that the god is a human emotion. Well, okay. If that's your god, then have at it.
     
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    You can ask me for clarification. Just ask something specific. Do not blame an author, blame the reader. Author is just one man, the readers are many billions.

    We feel Love, but the feeling of Love is not Love Himself. Like the feeling of touching table is not the table. Love is holy unity with one you love: you are he, and he is you: two persons in united being called “couple”. And even more than one couple, it is the united humankind, the bride of God: "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in Me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me." John 17:21.
     
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    Gibberish.

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    You are making a lot of claims I don’t think you can justify with evidence. How can you demonstrate that love is anything other than an emotion?
     
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    1. It is not a problem to prove something to a theists, even if the proof relies on the Holy Scriptures. Why? Because any knowledge (e.g., 2+2=4) of any human is defined by me as the knowledge, which has his God. God knows, that God exists, so the God is proven for theists.

    2. It is much more complicated, when I try to prove something to unbelievers, because I define faith (the Wikipedia agrees with peer-review references) as faithful-ness to Knowledge. As example, if you know, that you must not smoke, then you do not smoke entire life, and moreover, you are teaching others to stop smoking with YouTube videos. You are sincere person then. But you are a different one, you do not believe in anything, including the validity of General Relativity: "I know, that I know Nothing." But Jesus has hope even for you, because He nocks the door of you heart: "And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given." Matthew 13:10-11. So, I will speak on your level of understanding now:

    1. Scientific methodology is false, because it presses a scientist to consider anything, which is yet unknown, out of scope of scientific endeavor: "a thing does not exist, if the thing is not known." It is the fallacy called "scientism". The lacking belief people do like to dissect the United (by Theologians of the Past, e.g., Dr. Thomas Aquinas) Reality into smallest pieces as if they were using razors, look up “Hitchens's razor” invented by the unbeliever Hitchens.

    2. The Science can, if it would correct the wrong methodology, study the totally unknown things simply by adding to a known thing word "No", "Not". Look: people seem to know, that "Love is emotion", then please add No, so "Love is Not emotion." And then derive the own brand new theory, which in a (distant) future could lead to practical tests.

    The Holy Angel Lucifer was also science-minded: he added No to "God exists." and derived own worldview. His mistake was to devote own entire life to that, and proponent-ing of that by secular TV.
     
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    But now I advise the satanists (just out of their scientific curiousity) to remove the satan's word “No”, namely: atheists, can you imagine that God exists? What then does He think of you? "Smart, good people. I wish there were those in Paradise!" Is it realy so? “It is so easy! If you live without your dream.” (from a song by Vintage). Is it easy for you, those who have lost their dream of eternal life?
     

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    There is a lot to unpack in your comments.......I may not hit on all the points, but will try.

    1. The bible (or any other "Holy" text) is not evidence for a god, it is only evidence that someone believed in a god.

    2. Faith has numerous definitions and the context in which it is used is a determining factor.
    However, to use your definition, having faith in a god would be to say that you have actual knowledge of the particular god. To date, Nobody seems to have actual knowledge of a god, only a belief. By knowledge, I mean that they have sufficient evidence to support the belief.
    Knowledge is a subset of belief.

    3. If scientific methodologies were all false, then the results obtained would be false. That is obviously not true, therefore your statement is untrue.
    Science does not declare that a thing does not exist until it is proven to exist. If that were so, science would never move forward with new discoveries. Much research is based on the idea of testing new hypotheses about things that aren't known to exist before the evidence is in that they actually do.
    What science does lead one to do is not to believe they exist until it is evident that they do. Not believing in the existence of something is not the same as declaring that it actually does not exist.

    4. Hitchen's razor was not an invention of Hitchens. It was appropriated by him from an earlier form.
    Hitchens's razor is an English translation of the Latin proverb quod grātīs asseritur, grātīs negātur ("What is asserted gratuitously may be denied gratuitously"), which was commonly used in the 19th century.
    It is a fair statement. If an assertion is made without any evidence provided to support the assertion, then one is not under any obligation to try and disprove it. That would be a shifting of the burden of proof. It can simply be dismissed as unfounded. That does not mean it cannot be true, only that it is not known to be true. That takes you back to knowledge versus belief, as stated above.

    5. You do not derive a theory be adding a word to another word. That is utter nonsense. You derive a theory when you test an hypothesis repeatedly to the point that it explains all known facts about the subject it encompass and makes testable predictions. The hypothesis then becomes a theory which explains the fact or facts being observed.
    Simply adding the word "not" before the word "love" does not change what love is (an emotion}.
    If I take the phrase "my bank account does not have a million dollars in it" and remove the word "not", does my account now contain a million dollars? No!!!

    The Lucifer comment is so lame, it doesn't even deserve comment.
     
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    Opponent: “Simply adding the word "not" before the word "love" does not change what love is (an emotion). If I take the phrase "my bank account does not have a million dollars in it" and remove the word "not", does my account now contain a million dollars? No!!!”

    In some universe of the Multiverse - Yes, someone exactly like you has million dollars. Think about him, derive his life then. What would you do with million USD? To sponsor Churches, hospitals, universities. Apply to the sentences "Love is emotion", and "No God there" the method of science called “scientific doubt.” After all, unbelievers say “I know, that I know nothing”, and therefore: “science always can be refuted and be false (“falsified” in Popper criterion)”.

    Opponent: "Science is there to test and be tested. That's the whole point of it. To repeatedly test to either validate or discard hypotheses."

    Not in theoretical physics, and not in Evolutionary Biology.

    Opponent: "How much work have you done in physics?"

    Fallacy of Appeal to Authority is detected! Stop him!

    Opponent: “science deals with unknown, because science made tremendous progress.”

    But not, if unknown is Dark Matter, Big Bang or how divine wonders and Angels are made. Science does not consist of planets and acorns, but of people, and people often lie. Does science often lie? Science is a serious thing?! You can seriously lie if you do not like the Absolute Truth. The science can not be serious endeavour, because is not correcting for good own mistakes and deception: Hawking Radiation temperature in two abstracts [1] is different. But it must be the same, because this is the achievement of his life. Did the world go further with the true or false of them? Another example: all scientists used (and are still using: [3]) the dust collapse solution for almost a century, but it turned out to be very wrong [2].

    [1] Hawking SW. Particle Creation by Black Holes. Comm Math Phys. 1975;43:199-220. Hawking SW. Black hole explosions? Nature. 1974;248:30-1.

    [2] Trevor W Marshall, Max K Wallis. Journal of Cosmology. 2010;6:1473-1484. Available from: http://journalofcosmology.com/MarshallWallis.pdf

    [3] Laura Mersini-Houghton, Backreaction of Hawking Radiation on a Gravitationally Collapsing Star I: Black Holes?, Phys. Lett. B 2014;738:61-67.

    Opponent: I have any rights, I want; even the right to be crazy, look up bills “freedom of speech” and “freedom of religion”.

    Crazy you say? This paper is for you then. It is the attempt to heal the old schizophrenic separation between the heart (faith) and mind (Science). What a better world will it be without conflict between mind and heart! Rights you say?! Everyone has the right to choose. But not the wrong choice! The God of the Bible has damned those who chose sin! Freedom is defined as an action within God's laws, it is "the perfect law of liberty" James 1:25. That is why even ordinary criminals are not free, but instead sit in prisons. You might ask: “If faith is the truth, why are there so many faiths out there, even within individual religions?” Because Paradise is Lost. However, God has single faith and single Knowledge within his mind. “Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.” Luke 12:51.
     
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    Please reread my latter comment, because I added new text.

    Opponent: "Science deals with the natural world"

    Science in my definition is not the area of study, not the used methods, but simply the quest for Knowledge. And stop using "scientific skepticism" on me. It is just a "legalized" trolling! You would not use it on Dr. Steven Hawking! Why then to use it on me? Because you are making Fallacy of Authority! Please use the scientific trust (see about the new method in the file GodIsLove2.pdf above).
     
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    Please reread my latter two comments. Be well!
     
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    stop using "scientific skepticism" on me. It is just a "legalized" trolling: "When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose Him fiercely and to besiege Him with questions, waiting to catch Him in something He might say." Luke 11:53-54. You would not use it on Dr. Steven Hawking! Why then to use it on me? Because you are making Fallacy of Authority! Please use the scientific trust (see about the new method in the current paper).
     

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    There seems to be a language barrier here.

    This discussion was originally about whether you could demonstrate that love was anything more than an emotion. Have you abandoned your argument? Because this line of dialogue is far from that topic.

    I use science, skepticism, and logic. All are dependable tools. Again, I have committed no appeal to authority fallacy. Those are methods, not authorities.

    Scientific methodologies are well established. There are no new methodologies. You don’t get to redefine science to fit your own notions.

    I don’t care what Jesus did in a story (are YOU making an appeal to authority?) Not relevant to discussion, anyways.

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    @questfortruth -

    There are some people, for whom it is a second language, who lack facility in writing in English, but, nevertheles, are able to read English with complete comprehension.

    You apparently are not one of them.

    All I have done is point out that your English writing skills are substandard. This places an unnecessary burden on a reader who has to wade through material that is difficult to understand at best and incoherent at worst because you cannot adequately express yourself in English.

    All I have done is suggest you find another mode than you currently use to translate your papers into English.
     
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    The book of John is very poetic in places, and very literal, in places. I believe that a verse like this, needs to be read in context.
     
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    I have papers in Physical Review E and I am first author in European Physical Journal, and I have gold medal for school education and cum laude for completion of Tartu University. So, I know English much much much better than you all taken together. Therefore, to evil-minded unloving non-respectful trolls: "Why is My language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say." John 8:43, but to those, who love me at first sight of the text: "Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches." Revelation 2:17.
     
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    That's all very fine, however I'm a mystic, and the beliefs are backed by [traditional Real Christian, where I have doublechecked my Mysticism, so forth.

    So, no, you don't know more about certain things religious related.
     
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