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Interesting video, but also a slightly weird depiction of God, I would assume that an atheist made it?
Up for discussion, if anyone cares to.
Interesting video, but also a slightly weird depiction of God, I would assume that an atheist made it?
The issue with it, is that God in the video just as in the religious texts offers nothing. He is shown as a judge, creator and an "im better than you" type of entity. He point his fingers at the three humans as if they did something wrong. He save the atheist for not knowing him as if he made the correct choice simply by doing that.
He is annoyed or angry with the muslim and christian for fearing him and believing in old scriptures, which according to him is not what he is like.
But this is also where the nonsense obviously comes into the video and why I would assume that it is created by an atheist or at least someone that haven't given the idea of God nor Christianity or Islam a whole lot of thoughts. Because the person making the video, don't really seem to understand the issue in the first place in my opinion. It doesn't matter whether its an atheist, christian or muslim in front of God. Because the issue is God himself.
If all people in the world were atheists, God would be lonely and meaningless as no one would believe in him anyway. So him saving the atheist as if he made the correct choice, only a demonstration of his incompetence and purpose.
Pointing fingers at the muslim and christian person, for fearing God and following the teachings of those before them, even though God in the video know they are wrong. He apparently take no blame for not having set things straight, but allowed false teachings to be taught about himself, for him to then at the end time to appear as the "wise old man" judging them for not knowing better. When what he should do is to fall on his own knees and apologize to them, for his own incompetence and wickedness.
Neither of the humans in the video have done anything wrong, the only one to blame is God. And clearly the person that made the video, did not understand that as far as I see it.
That is the whole problem with God.Do you believe everyone would be saved despite their beliefs and actions?
It's kind of the same argument anticatholics pose on catholics when it comes rituals making God angry.
TrueNeither of the humans in the video have done anything wrong
So then, why blame someone, to begin with?the only one to blame is God
Good educational video
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Well, as everyone here knows, I am an atheist. (Not in the sense of absolutely denying the existence of gods, just not believing in them). But something else I've often mentioned on this site is that, if it turned out that I was wrong, and there was something that I thought might qualify as God, I would not fear it.
Nor would I believe any of what humans have written about it, because if I don't know, they don''t know.
The video, I think you must admit, did not suggest that any of the 3 people were guilty of anything like that which Ramirez was guilty, agree? Now, I personally think that when we are guilty of heinous acts, there ought to be consequences -- at the very least aimed at protecting society from anything further and attaining some sort of reparation, though I don't pretend to know what to do when reparations can''t be made. (I don't think killing is the answer though, since it doesn't achieve anything except to make us suppose that killing is not always quite so bad.)I did watch the video.
I did find it interesting.
It allowed me more insight into the Atheist mind.
It confirms many of my previous observations.
Most Atheists know God exists, but He's not the God they want.
They would like to manufacture, like in the video, how they would like God to be.
Do you think that's how it's going to be?
God lets the Atheist go?
Not to fall into judgement like the Christian and Muslim?
What if that Atheist was Richard Ramirez, the night stalker?
You think the god of that video will let him go?
Go Richard, peace to you.
Rather than worship the Creator, they would worship the created.
"So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. - Romans 1:25
Jesus said that the Father wants worshipers in spirit and in truth.
"Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. - John 4:23
I fear God.
I fear an electrical box that reads 600 VOLTS.
Fear also means respect.
The Bible says fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is insight. - Proverbs 9:10
The Bible is too elaborate to have been penned by just an assortment of human authors.
If you believe that God will be like the authors of this video are representing, and it gives you peace at this time, enjoy yourself.
There were too many erroneous assumptions and false specifications in the video for me to have the time to address them all.
I would stick with Scripture for now, because it's all we have.
Peaceful Sabbath.
In this video we assume that God exist and that he is passing judgement on those three people. Blaming the christian and muslim for not being as clever and brave as the atheist, that despite standing in front of God, does not kneel or changes his view. Whereas the believers are portrayed as weak and scared.So then, why blame someone, to begin with?
"what you see in others is in you", a wise man has taught
Why not drop this whole blaming thing?
Not true. There is another scenario possible, where God does not judge, and still the whole idea of God, religion, scripture has importanceThen what God is actually trying to teach people is to just make up their own ideas of what God is and that these should be positive or simply do as the atheists and simply say that they don't know God. Which again would make the whole idea of God, religions, scriptures and teachings completely pointless.
For me it's easy to see the value of religion, religious teachers etc, even if you are also free to make your own idea of GodIf you are to just make up your own idea of what God is, then what is the need for religion? religious teachers? preachers? etc.
Even as an atheist I wouldn't buy that, if it turned out that God existed, I don't think I would be able to not laugh
The video, I think you must admit, did not suggest that any of the 3 people were guilty of anything like that which Ramirez was guilty, agree? Now, I personally think that when we are guilty of heinous acts, there ought to be consequences -- at the very least aimed at protecting society from anything further and attaining some sort of reparation, though I don't pretend to know what to do when reparations can''t be made. (I don't think killing is the answer though, since it doesn't achieve anything except to make us suppose that killing is not always quite so bad.)
But what God does accuse the Muslim and Christian of is being inauthentic, of believing on authority rather than listening to their own hearts. And scripture (and religious "teachers") are a form of authority, and must be questioned just as easily as anything else when they appear to violate our conscience, or are inconsistent.
Yet, for reasons we can't quite agree on, Christians, for most of the history of the religion, could not find any reason not to own other people as slaves, and to force their children to be likewise enslaved. Their religious texts, and their "teachers," were not up to the task of teaching that rather simple moral precept. Nor have most religions, their scriptures and "teachers," been able to convince us that making war and killing in the thousands and millions for territory, or for political disagreement, are wrong.
And even today, how many Muslims, how many Christians, would agree that God intends to send me to hell simply for loving another man, of caring for him when he's ill (so the state doesn't have to), and loving him physically when he is well. The atheist in me can tell with ease that this is RIGHT, just as easily as I can see that sexually abusing children, or those over whom I have power, is WRONG. I know this from examining my own authentic conscience. Religion, far too often, is incapable of that. Jews (and many Christians and Muslims) insist, for example, on mutilating the penises of their infant sons (and sometimes the clitoris and labia minora of young girls). I, as an atheist, can see the wrongness in that without even trying.
Scripture isn't all you have. You have your mind and conscience.
There's not much peace in your post, however. Nor much to give one joy in the believing of it, so I leave that to you.Peaceful Sabbath.
There's not much peace in your post, however. Nor much to give one joy in the believing of it, so I leave that to you.
As I told you, I have accepted that there is no God, and no afterlife, but I don't seek (as you put it) "to kill God." In fact, I said that if it turns out that I am wrong, I would not fear the God that I was wrong about.
Context matters. The Serpent told the truth. Have you read the myth? If you did you would know that God told Adam and Eve that they would die that day. The Serpent told Eve that she would not. Nor did she. There was no implication that she would never die. In fact if you read the myth and understood it you would know that eternal life was never part of the deal. You forgot that there were two trees in the Garden. They were not banned from eating from the other one but they never did. In fact that was one of the reasons that they were driven from the Garden. If they ate from the Tree of Life then they would have lived forever and would have become like gods themselves according the story.Sorry about that.
I read it again, it looked too long.
I think I spaced the sentences out too far.
I wish I could think of a more joyful solution, a more palatable read.
There is no afterlife for the lost.
That is the joy in this, that is the mercy.
The God that put us here is not going to punish people for infinity, for the things done in this short life.
The serpent said you shall not surely die.
But he lied.
We are not immortal.
We HAVE a spirit, but we are not A spirit.
The spirit we have will return to the God Who gave it.
God breathed into the man's nostrils the breath of life and he became a living soul, a living "nephesh."
Nephesh (נֶ֫פֶשׁ nép̄eš) is a Biblical Hebrew word which occurs in the Hebrew Bible. The word refers to the aspects of sentience, and human beings and other animals are both described as having nephesh. Plants, as an example of live organisms, are not referred in the Bible as having nephesh.
It means a living creature.
The animals are also described as living nephesh.
The soul that sinneth, it shall die.
"The soul that sinneth, it shall surely die. - Ezekiel 18:20
Talk is cheap, my read is that everyone will fear God on judgement day, every knee will bow when they see God.
“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” - Romans - 14:11
I also read two times, the people in opposition to God, spurred on by Satan, will attempt to kill God.
And then attempt to kill God AND His People.
First at Armageddon at the second coming of Christ, and secondly, after the thousand years are finished when the dead march across the broad plain of the earth and attempt to rush the holy city.
In the second example the lost are also going after God's People inside the Beloved City.
None of that sounded too peaceful either.
But I'm told that in this life we WILL have tribulation.
Even so, come Lord Jesus.
Peaceful Sabbath.
Context matters. The Serpent told the truth. Have you read the myth? If you did you would know that God told Adam and Eve that they would die that day. The Serpent told Eve that she would not. Nor did she. There was no implication that she would never die. In fact if you read the myth and understood it you would know that eternal life was never part of the deal. You forgot that there were two trees in the Garden. They were not banned from eating from the other one but they never did. In fact that was one of the reasons that they were driven from the Garden. If they ate from the Tree of Life then they would have lived forever and would have become like gods themselves according the story.
It was never about a spiritual death. That was a later added interpretation when it was clear that a literal translation did not look good for God.
And even today, how many Muslims, how many Christians, would agree that God intends to send me to hell simply for loving another man, of caring for him when he's ill (so the state doesn't have to), and loving him physically when he is well.
I thought you were Atheist.
If you don't believe in God, why would you be so concerned with His tree of life?
I don't think it meant a spiritual death either.
God said on the day that you eat thereof, you shall surely die.
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” - Genesis 2:17
The penalty for sin is death.
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. - Romans 6:23
Sin is transgression of the law.
"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. - 1 John 3:4
So why didn't Adam and Eve die that day?
Because Jesus stood in the way, in between God's Wrath, and fallen humanity.
If He didn't, we wouldn't be here.
This is what I think Paul was talking about with the restrainer.
Until He who now restrains it is taken out of the way.
Jesus is still holding it back, standing in between humanity, and the wrath of God.
"For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. - 2 Thessalonians 2:7
So if there is no judgement in the video.Not true. There is another scenario possible, where God does not judge, and still the whole idea of God, religion, scripture has importance
I would disagree, again im speaking about the video. If God does not approve of the muslim or the christian person's understanding of him, then clearly they must be wrong as he take the time trying to make them understand all the errors they made, while the atheist flies right through simply for not believing in him at all. At least the religious people tried or saw something beyond themselves. That God is unable to give them correct guidance and completely failed with the atheist, is no one's fault except his.For me it's easy to see the value of religion, religious teachers etc, even if you are also free to make your own idea of God
Just has to do with being creative....