THE Federal Government's human rights arm plans to invent a new official status called "intersex"

[emiliano]

This is what the over paid fat cats get paid for:
THE Federal Government's human rights arm plans to invent a new official status called "intersex" adding it to male and female as a legally recognised gender.

The Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission wants people to be able to change their gender on their passports and driving licences even if they do not undergo surgery.
And transgender lobby groups say that even this does not go far enough and are demanding a fourth legal gender called "other" for people who feel like their gender is indefinable or changes from day to day.
The extraordinary proposals are contained in a discussion paper quietly issued to transgender and transsexual advocates by the commission, a statutory body that advises the Government on such matters.
Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission pushes for third &squo;intersex&squo; gender | Herald Sun

 

[Ozzie]

This is what the over paid fat cats get paid for:
THE Federal Government's human rights arm plans to invent a new official status called "intersex" adding it to male and female as a legally recognised gender.

The Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission wants people to be able to change their gender on their passports and driving licences even if they do not undergo surgery.
And transgender lobby groups say that even this does not go far enough and are demanding a fourth legal gender called "other" for people who feel like their gender is indefinable or changes from day to day.
The extraordinary proposals are contained in a discussion paper quietly issued to transgender and transsexual advocates by the commission, a statutory body that advises the Government on such matters.
Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission pushes for third &squo;intersex&squo; gender | Herald Sun

If only passports could capture the facile nature of sexual identity. Maybe they should admit "intosex" as an official status. At least that would satisfy the hornier fatcats.

 

[Inky]

THE Federal Government's human rights arm plans to invent a new official status called "intersex" adding it to male and female as a legally recognised gender.

And what's wrong with that? There are millions of people who aren't physically male or female. It makes more sense to give them their own category than to say they have to arbitrarily say they're male or female, when actually they're not (or have their parents pick for them when they're young).

 

[emiliano]

And what's wrong with that? There are millions of people who aren't physically male or female. It makes more sense to give them their own category than to say they have to arbitrarily say they're male or female, when actually they're not (or have their parents pick for them when they're young).

Millions of people? The surgical solution is well regulated and applied mostly to hermaphrodites children, which is a rare birth defect. There are rigorous test before surgery and as a general rule they prefer to wait till poverty, whenever possible. We the tax payer pay these fat cats good money and they spend their time and energies on this? I am sure that there are more pressing issues that needs their attention, issues that affect great numbers of people.

 

[Mister Emu]

There are rigorous test before surgery and as a general rule they prefer to wait till poverty, whenever possible.

They wait until they are out of money?

I'm guessing you mean puberty

 

[Father Heathen]

Why are you so obsessed with people's genitals, anyway?

 

[emiliano]

Why are you so obsessed with people's genitals, anyway?

It is a human thing, Psychologist tell us that this is one of the first things that we get curious about, since very early age we ask ourselves the why and how of our bodies, there are more important organs that are wonderfully designed and should make us stand in awe of the perfect way they function, but what is the first organs that we get curious about? Is not our brain and it wonderful design and functioning, nor we get curious of our heart that it awesome in it design, we direct our attention to those at a much later age, it is an instinct and as rational being that we are, we discover that one of its function gives us pleasure, I wonder how come some get it so wrong, paying attentions to it design should not leave any doubt of it function. Consider that this curiosity happens even before the hormones kick in. Can you understand the fat cat preoccupation, with these issue? Mind you that in Australia we have dealt with this a while ago, there are only two genders in humans, these demand are an example of what comes after the acceptance of some unnatural behaviour, this people are the advisor of our politicians, what is the world coming to?

 

[gnomon]

I'm wavering between an accusation of willful ignorance or utter stupidity. Is there a difference?

While people figure out what I'm saying I'll be over here.....................:banghead3


Edification time,
What is intersex? | Intersex Society of North America

YouTube - Intersex (Part 1 of 3)
YouTube - Intersex (Part 2 of 3)
YouTube - Intersex #3

 

[Inky]

Edification time,
What is intersex? | Intersex Society of North America

Thank you! I especially recommend anyone on this thread read the section titled "how common is intersex". Most likely, everyone here has met at least one intersex person, and just didn't know it. It's not an incredibly rare or esoteric thing, it's just swept under the rug because it makes people uncomfortable.

 

[gnomon]

Thank you! I especially recommend anyone on this thread read the section titled "how common is intersex". Most likely, everyone here has met at least one intersex person, and just didn't know it. It's not an incredibly rare or esoteric thing, it's just swept under the rug because it makes people uncomfortable.

You set high expectations. But I agree, of course.

 

[emiliano]

My OP is about what is currently proposed to the Australian government (it is in the Down under politics section) the US addressed this in 2000-2004, what I am going on about is what do you think of the proposal to recognise a third gender in human, what solution to this problem having this gender stated in passports and driving licences will bring? I am sure that people suffering from this awful/tragic condition and waiting to come of age to make a decision would like this fact published to all, when you consider that these adviser are the well paid fat cats that our taxes pays, they present this as a response to the plight of those failed gender reassignments, those that science get wrong in spite of the rigorous testing, (I don’t know the percentage of failfures, but I am sure that is negligible, when compared to the successes)failures been when they are reassigned to gender that they don‘t want when they grow to adulhood. I this make more sense: Intersex Declared a Human Rights Issue | Intersex Society of North America

 

[Smoke]

This is what the over paid fat cats get paid for:
THE Federal Government's human rights arm plans to invent a new official status called "intersex" adding it to male and female as a legally recognised gender.

That's your problem, right there. Paying decent wages attracts government employees sufficiently well-educated to offend the wilfully ignorant.

Millions of people?

Yes, millions of people -- in Australia alone. But if it were a smaller number, so what?

We the tax payer pay these fat cats good money and they spend their time and energies on this? I am sure that there are more pressing issues that needs their attention, issues that affect great numbers of people.

You're spending your time and energy moaning about it, and you're not even getting paid for it.

 

[gnomon]

hermaphrodites children, which is a rare birth defect. There are rigorous test before surgery and as a general rule they prefer to wait till poverty, whenever possible. We the tax payer pay these fat cats good money and they spend their time and energies on this? I am sure that there are more pressing issues that needs their attention, issues that affect great numbers of people.

there are only two genders in humans, these demand are an example of what comes after the acceptance of some unnatural behaviour, this people are the advisor of our politicians, what is the world coming to?

I am sure that people suffering from this awful/tragic condition and waiting to come of age to make a decision would like this fact published to all, when you consider that these adviser are the well paid fat cats that our taxes pays, they present this as a response to the plight of those failed gender reassignments, those that science get wrong in spite of the rigorous testing

You didn't even read the information I or Inky linked to or watch the videos.

 

[emiliano]

You didn't even read the information I or Inky linked to or watch the videos.

OK let get some of the weed out for clarity, the case that is been made is that some of the gender normalisations consented to by parent of children with these birth defects don’t get it right, and I said that I don’t know the percentage of science’s failures, but I am sure that they are not numbered in the millions, so there you are, the statement that this represent the plight of millions of people is an exaggeration in any country and is typical of the campaigns of these noisy minorities, these is done by putting all sorts of issues into the same bag, and presenting it as one, the parents that take a decision do it with the information and prognosis of several medical disciplines, Geneticist. Urology, Psychiatry, Psychology etc. the hormonal and surgical decision is an informed one, please don’t call them wilfully ignorant, they are not, they are loving people that make the hard decisions for their children, now tell me how having their condition published to the four winds is going to help them? Why don’t we tattooed on their bodies? This is just fulling the disgruntled and those that through the trauma of living with these defects may develop GID to hate their parents for their decision. Don’t blame me for not consider the information or watch the videos, because it started with misinformation most of the surgical/hormonal solution get it right, thus the numbers get a lot smaller and smaller, I am sure that they don’t amount to million.

 

[gnomon]

Don’t blame me for not consider the information or watch the videos, because it started with misinformation most of the surgical/hormonal solution get it right, thus the numbers get a lot smaller and smaller, I am sure that they don’t amount to million.

So you didn't watch the videos, read the information regarding intersex and basically admit you do not care about actually understanding the issue, or intersex people, while willfully creating a thread regarding the issue.

Blaming you for not considering factual information when you create a thread from pure ignorance is a necessity. It's nothing more than trolling the forums to express your limited foolish and bigoted religious view.

 

[emiliano]

So you didn't watch the videos, read the information regarding intersex and basically admit you do not care about actually understanding the issue, or intersex people, while willfully creating a thread regarding the issue.

Blaming you for not considering factual information when you create a thread from pure ignorance is a necessity. It's nothing more than trolling the forums to express your limited foolish and bigoted religious view.

And what are the issues? There are children born with birth defect of various kinds, parents make decisions, many opt for normalization to one gender, this is done in accordance to specialist medical considerations and prognosis, now you’re never going to convince me that they choose in ignorance or in an unloving way, you will never convince me that they are counted in the millions, you are never going to convince me that having this published in ID documents is going to help them in any way what so ever, putting Homosexuality that is a behavioural bizarre choice makes no difference, putting GID, a mental disorder, in the same bag doesn’t do it either.
As for your personal attack, right back to you, mate! you are an anti-religious bigot, preaching hate against parent that made the hard decisions, and those that believe that this should stay in the privacy of the families that are struck by such tragedies, to summarise it for you, I have no interest in your opinions, the videos or the campaign, I believe in the right of parents to make informed decisions on behalf of their children and the right to have it as a prive matter, if you don’t like the thread don’t participate in it.

 

[gnomon]

As for your personal attack, right back to you, mate! you are an anti-religious bigot, preaching hate against parent that made the hard decisions, and those that believe that this should stay in the privacy of the families that are struck by such tragedies, to summarise it for you, I have no interest in your opinions, the videos or the campaign, I believe in the right of parents to make informed decisions on behalf of their children and the right to have it as a prive matter, if you don’t like the thread don’t participate in it.

I will participate in the thread because the thread needs someone who actually reads and learns what intersex people go through to deflect a thread created by a bigot.

As far as hatred towards the parents I have expressed no opinion whatsoever regarding their decisions. Thus your claim holds no merit.

No need for your summary. The derogatory language you used tipped me off that you have no interest in actually learning about the issue straight from the individuals who are intersex. Ignoring them is a convenient way to maintain a delusion.

If you must create such threads as these to wallow in ignorance I recommend using your DIR or just join along in this thread of self-congratulatory false persecution,
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/latter-day-saints/72807-results-prop-8-a.html

For now, I'll wait for someone who actually has an informed opinion on the subject. Till then, you may want to remove the word Christian from your religion for the disservice you do them.

 

[emiliano]

I will participate in the thread because the thread needs someone who actually reads and learns what intersex people go through to deflect a thread created by a bigot.

As far as hatred towards the parents I have expressed no opinion whatsoever regarding their decisions. Thus your claim holds no merit.

No need for your summary. The derogatory language you used tipped me off that you have no interest in actually learning about the issue straight from the individuals who are intersex. Ignoring them is a convenient way to maintain a delusion.

If you must create such threads as these to wallow in ignorance I recommend using your DIR or just join along in this thread of self-congratulatory false persecution,
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/latter-day-saints/72807-results-prop-8-a.html

For now, I'll wait for someone who actually has an informed opinion on the subject. Till then, you may want to remove the word Christian from your religion for the disservice you do them.

OK. If that the way you want to play it, see if I can explain it to you, you make accusation that are unfounded, you want to bring religion into this, but if you care to read the OP, this is a political body that advices the federal government of Australia, a political institution, but it seems that it doesn’t make any difference to you, that goes on and on relating this to religion. This is a nation that has dealt with these issues, now, because this country look after of all its citizen, we don’t have the problems that the US have with same sex marriages and others, we do not burden employer with paying medical insurances to married couples, they are both covered, so the argument that same sex unions are in anyway disadvantaged did not hold water in our debates, our health system is paid by all ( we pay an extra tax, a levy of 2.50 %) and is denied to no one. I addition we pay 20% of our income to the government, if you care to read the OP what I complained about is the waste of these resources in a political body that has so many more present civil right issues to direct their attention to, the waste of resources. Gnomon I have no problem with you posting and debating me except that you come across as a pretty thick individual, you are way off topic, this is a political issue in Australia and you have no idea of it working. I hope that you realise that you got into what you know very little about, it’s very unlikely that our politician are going to take any notice of their advice anyway, this is a country of just 20 million people so if we use the information that you recommended 1 in 1500 is 0,066% , 1.30 million of birth with these birth defects, the most common been people receiving surgery to “normalize” genital appearance one or two in 1,000 births. Considering that the solution that these genius propose to resolve the problem that a failure in prognosis may cause is to create a third sex classification and put it in legal documents. What difference would that make for the lives of these people? Does anybody have statistical information on failures in this solution (surgery/hormones )?
How is this related to the result of prop.8?

 

[Watchmen]

emiliano, methinks you need to educate yourself more about this topic.

 

[gnomon]

OK. If that the way you want to play it, see if I can explain it to you, you make accusation that are unfounded, you want to bring religion into this, but if you care to read the OP, this is a political body that advices the federal government of Australia, a political institution, but it seems that it doesn’t make any difference to you, that goes on and on relating this to religion. This is a nation that has dealt with these issues, now, because this country look after of all its citizen, we don’t have the problems that the US have with same sex marriages and others, we do not burden employer with paying medical insurances to married couples, they are both covered, so the argument that same sex unions are in anyway disadvantaged did not hold water in our debates, our health system is paid by all ( we pay an extra tax, a levy of 2.50 %) and is denied to no one. I addition we pay 20% of our income to the government, if you care to read the OP what I complained about is the waste of these resources in a political body that has so many more present civil right issues to direct their attention to, the waste of resources. Gnomon I have no problem with you posting and debating me except that you come across as a pretty thick individual, you are way off topic, this is a political issue in Australia and you have no idea of it working. I hope that you realise that you got into what you know very little about, it’s very unlikely that our politician are going to take any notice of their advice anyway, this is a country of just 20 million people so if we use the information that you recommended 1 in 1500 is 0,066% , 1.30 million of birth with these birth defects, the most common been people receiving surgery to “normalize” genital appearance one or two in 1,000 births. Considering that the solution that these genius propose to resolve the problem that a failure in prognosis may cause is to create a third sex classification and put it in legal documents. What difference would that make for the lives of these people? Does anybody have statistical information on failures in this solution (surgery/hormones )?
How is this related to the result of prop.8?

Who's talking about religion?

The links Inky and I referenced are about intersex individuals. They contain a wealth information regarding the medical and social issues regarding intersex. The videos include interviews with those individuals who are intersex and obtain their opinion regarding genital modification.

How much more on topic could I get by posting information directly related to intersex individuals.

You already admitted that you do not need to consider understanding exactly what is meant by intersex and the legal/social issues involved.

Just count yourself fortunate that you belong to a majority.