The Definition Of Capitalism

[Revoltingest]

We now have a definition provided by RF of "capitalist".
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...0-definitions-restricted-political-areas.html

Included is "state capitalism". From Wikipedia, we have this partial description of it....

State capitalism is usually described as an economic system in which commercial (i.e. for-profit) economic activity is undertaken by the state, with management and organization of the means of production in a capitalist manner, including the system of capital accumulation, wage labor, and centralized management.[1] This designation applies to economies regardless of the political aims of the state, even if the state is nominally socialist.[2] State capitalism is characterized by the dominance of state-owned business enterprises in the economy. Examples of state capitalism include corporatized government agencies (agencies organized along corporate and business management practices) and states that own controlling shares of publicly listed corporations (acting as a shareholder). State capitalism is usually used as criticism of states that named themselves socialist;[2] for instance, many communist and Marxist tendencies argue that the Soviet Union did not establish socialism, but rather established state capitalism.[2][3]

Should we really have fans of Soviet Socialism included in our midst?
I say this flies in the face of what we intended in asking for this DIR.
And by such a broad definition, is there even anyone who would not
be included? Capitalists are not allowed to post in the Socialist DIR,
so why should socialists be free to post in both?

 

[BSM1]

"State Capitalism..."? Oh, the humanity!

 

[Revoltingest]

"State Capitalism..."? Oh, the humanity!

You don't suppose the staff have a vast left wing conspiracy to keep capitalists out of the
Socialist DIR, but want to allow socialists to topple tables & chairs in the Capitalist DIR?
It looks the same with the Liberal DIR & the Libertarian DIR, where the former's denizens
are allowed in the latter, but not vice versa.

 

[YmirGF]

We now have a definition provided by RF of "capitalist".
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...0-definitions-restricted-political-areas.html

Included is "state capitalism". From Wikipedia, we have this partial description of it....
Should we really have fans of Soviet Socialism included in our midst?
I say this flies in the face of what we intended in asking for this DIR.
And by such a broad definition, is there even anyone who would not be included?

Well, as long as they allow for the rape and pillage of workers... it's all good...

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, as long as they allow for the rape and pillage of workers... it's all good...

Looking at the record of state capitalism in the USSR, it is exactly that...& then some.

 

[Revoltingest]

After much discussion about membership in a restricted forum, it
appears that the underlined portion has more weight in defining us.
We also have a new specific requirement that a poster identify as "capitalist".
Hey, staff types....is my understanding correct?

From the sticky thread....

Capitalism: An economic system based on private ownership of capital,
resources, production, and systems of distribution. It functions primarily through
the use of competitive markets, wage labor, and private property rights.
It is affected by the political system it operates under, and can be found in many
models such as laissez-faire capitalism, state capitalism, and social-market capitalism.

Would a poster who opposes the underlined portion be excluded, or does
self-identification trump it?

Fellow capitalist running dogs...what do you think describes a "capitalist"?

 

[Tarheeler]

Hey, staff types....is my understanding correct?

Yes, it is correct. Each section has definition, which is then (with the exception of feminism) followed by examples of groups or systems that advocate and/or operate under those definitions. The examples are there simply to give real world illustrations of how the ideas are carried out, and they are not exhaustive or all-inclusive.

For example: the US Republican party is given as an example in the Conservative section, but that doesn't mean that one must be a Republican in order to be a conservative, nor does it mean all Republicans are conservative. It means that the general ideas behind the Republican party are inline with the definition we are using for conservative.

Would a poster who opposes the underlined portion be excluded, or does
self-identification trump it?

It would be a determination that would ultimately made by staff, but if someone says they self identify as a capitalist and advocate against it, then something isn't right.

Fellow capitalist running dogs...what do you think describes a "capitalist"?

As I don't identify as such, this is where I'll see myself out. I hope the information has proven helpful, and I hope y'all enjoy your forum.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, it is correct. Each section has definition, which is then (with the exception of feminism) followed by examples of groups or systems that advocate and/or operate under those definitions. The examples are there simply to give real world illustrations of how the ideas are carried out, and they are not exhaustive or all-inclusive.

For example: the US Republican party is given as an example in the Conservative section, but that doesn't mean that one must be a Republican in order to be a conservative, nor does it mean all Republicans are conservative. It means that the general ideas behind the Republican party are inline with the definition we are using for conservative.

It would be a determination that would ultimately made by staff, but if someone says they self identify as a capitalist and advocate against it, then something isn't right.

This is concise, unambiguous, & abundantly clear.
Excellent!

Hey, why not add it to the sticky thread?

 

[Iti oj]

How does this even work? I mean I
Engage in capitalism every day. Make decisions in a capitalistic sense for my best interest everyday. I woulds not call myself a capitalist, but capitalism has been forced upon me so I live it every day. Further more since I live in a capitalistic society I have capitalistic opinions on topics.

I kinda see revs point...

 

[Revoltingest]

How does this even work? I mean I
Engage in capitalism every day. Make decisions in a capitalistic sense for my best interest everyday. I woulds not call myself a capitalist, but capitalism has been forced upon me so I live it every day. Further more since I live in a capitalistic society I have capitalistic opinions on topics.
I kinda see revs point...

Ask yourself some things:
Do you feel an unwilling participant of capitalism, or do you believe in it?
If someone asks you if you're a capitalist, do you hem & haw, or do you say "By Jiminy, I sure am!".

If "believe" & "Jiminy" are in your answer, then you're one of us.
Otherwise, you're suspect. It's still not my call, but I'm here to help.

 

[Iti oj]

Ask yourself some things:

Do you feel an unwilling participant of capitalism, or do you believe in it?
If someone asks you if you're a capitalist, do you hem & haw, or do you say "By Jiminy, I sure am!".

If "believe" & "Jiminy" are in your answer, then you're one of us.
Otherwise, you're suspect.....but it's still not my call.

Most of the time I say yes, unless I am the one asking. I recently outed myself as a libertarian socialist. Both to the world and to my self. Theirs voting belief's and theirs ideals.
Yes I feel unwilling and coerced.
Perhaps this Dir should go Green.
I live as a capitalist, and I feel that my capitalist opinion that bailing out the banks is a capitalistic opinion and valid.

I guess I could talk about that in the libertarian Dir...

But I agree I probably don't belong, and won't try to impose myself. Seems a lot of gray area, like you said. Anyways sorry I'll go away now.