Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
It doesn't taste like chicken.
You really have turned evasion into an art form. I strongly suspect you have really no experience of any of this, and it's all made-up baloney.
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It doesn't taste like chicken.
It's always a refreshing experience for me. .
You still haven't provided a coherent definition of Cosmic Consciousness. One minute you're talking about everything being consciousness, the next about abandoning self-view, it's a muddle.
You need to provide a coherent definition of "Cosmic Consciousness". Are you saying that everything is consciousness, or that consciousness permeates the universe, or that it's the experience of abandoning self view, or what exactly?
Are you even capable of explaining clearly what you believe? I'm beginning to wonder.
But not for anyone else. I'm still waiting for a coherent definition of "Cosmic Consciousness" and your description of "universal view".
Well, if self-view no longer is the case, and consciousness is still present, what is the situation?
Have you peeled the potatoes yet?
You really have turned evasion into an art form. I strongly suspect you have really no experience of any of this, and it's all made-up baloney.
A mind without self-view. But this is just further evasion and game-playing.
I'm still waiting for a coherent definition of "Cosmic Consciousness" and your practical experience of "universal view"
What is the taste of the Infinite, Spiny?
Abandoning the self view? Who will do that?
I realize you have an exceptionally short attention span, but I am not really able to comply with your wish, but for some reason, perhaps it's just my linguistic vanity, I'll give it a shot.Stop mystifying the issue with smokescreens! Tell us why the self is real in 50 words or less.
Further evasion. OK, that confirms it for me, you really are just spouting BS with no genuine experience behind it.
In essence, the Oneness experience is often misunderstood as being one with All that is, meaning "The Universe" or "ALL of reality". That however, is not entirely true, though one does sense quite intimately their connection to their own entity, which from our perspective will definitely seem to be "All That Is". In one sense, it is All That Is, in that we are experiencing the currently totality of our own being, but even so, the totality of our own being is miniscule when compared to the actuality of All That Is.
You are confused because of different understanding of the word 'Consciousness'. Can experience of void happen without consciousness?
You are confused because the Sanskrit word used in original sutras is vijnana (vinnana in Pali) and not consciousness, as translated most commonly. Consciousness in its non dual root aspect is called prajnana in Sanskrit (panna in Pali).
Vijnana is a compound word made of vi (divided) and jnana (knowledge). Prajnana is made of pra (pre) and jnana (knowledge). Vijnana and prajnana both together constitute the principle of awareness/consciousness.
Is experience of void possible in absence of a jnana (knowledge) principle being inherent in the void?
Perhaps an ambiguity between perceiving nothing or not perceiving anything. (Would that constitute an absence of jnana? Would that establish jnana being inherent in the void?)You are confused because of different understanding of the word 'Consciousness'. Can experience of void happen without consciousness?
You are confused because the Sanskrit word used in original sutras is vijnana (vinnana in Pali) and not consciousness, as translated most commonly. Consciousness in its non dual root aspect is called prajnana in Sanskrit (panna in Pali).
Vijnana is a compound word made of vi (divided) and jnana (knowledge). Prajnana is made of pra (pre) and jnana (knowledge). Vijnana and prajnana both together constitute the principle of awareness/consciousness.
Is experience of void possible in absence of a jnana (knowledge) principle being inherent in the void?
That's an interesting way of talking about it, and makes a lot more sense than the idea of us experiencing the totality of the universe or whatever. I'm an amateur astronomer and so have a little bit of understanding about how big and strange the universe really is. Unimaginable really.
I repeat that this should be acceptable to all. I also take this opportunity to reiterate that translation of vijnana (knowledge based on subject - object division) as consciousness (as is vijnana tranlated in most english translations of Buddhist sutras) is fully correct. As prajnana (consciousness prior to subject-object division) is also consciousness.
I agree. The Heart Sutra is talking of a consciousness beyond all aggregates, including all forms. Cosmos is form, so the consciousness of void is not same as the 'Cosmic Consciousness'. The so-called Cosmic Consciousness cannot also be a take on advaita, which teaches:
So, the consciousness that the Heart sutra points to or that which the Katha upanishad is pointing to is not 'Cosmic' in the sense that 'Cosmos' is a form -- an aggregate.
I'm still not clear what you mean by a consciousness "beyond" the aggregates, given that consciousness is itself an aggregate.
I'm headed to the Chinese buffet! =0]I am quoting a void post that was in reply to your question regarding the void. Take whatever symbolism you will from that.
Oh gee whiz, you can't see the void post quoted unless you are in editing mode. I need some dark chocolate and a good koan now! :/