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The Buddha Explains Universal Mind

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Tathagata, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. atanu

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    You are confused because of different understanding of the word 'Consciousness'. Can experience of void happen without consciousness?

    You are confused because the Sanskrit word used in original sutras is vijnana (vinnana in Pali) and not consciousness, as translated most commonly. Consciousness in its non dual root aspect is called prajnana in Sanskrit (panna in Pali).

    Vijnana is a compound word made of vi (divided) and jnana (knowledge). Prajnana is made of pra (pre) and jnana (knowledge). Vijnana and prajnana both together constitute the principle of awareness/consciousness.

    Is experience of void possible in absence of a jnana (knowledge) principle being inherent in the void?
     
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  2. godnotgod

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    You keep beating around the bush. Can you, or can't you, tell us why you think the self is real? I don't care what Vaisnava thought says about it; I want to know why YOU think the self is real.
     
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    You see? Still attacking the pointing finger, while providing no substantive response, because you have none! So I will take your non-response as "I don't understand Vivekenanda's statement because my conditioned awareness won't allow me to recognize it as being true."
     
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    Though, in some terms, I am a universe unto myself, I am not THE universe.
     
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    I could not explain why I see the self as a distinct reality in under 10,000 words. I'm just not into doing that for you. IF you understood anything about Vaisnava thought, as I said, it would give a HINT at what I am expressing... as what I perceive now is not what Vaisnava thought teaches.
     
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    In a nutshell, CC is the realization of oneness with the universe, rather than identifying with the limited self known as 'I', which sees the universe as some 'other'.
     
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    Cute, but silly.
     
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    Where does your universe end and the THE universe begin?

    You are still thinking 'yours and mine', 'this and that', in typical dualistic fashion.

    If you understood that everything is consciousness, you would also understand that you ARE the universe as well. Only when we are fooled by the illusion of form do we discriminate 'this' as opposed to 'that'. The Buddha was not so fooled, hence:

    'form is emptiness;
    emptiness is form'

    'You are not just the drop in the ocean; you are the Mighty Ocean itself."
    Rumi
     
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    Please, make it stop, I can't take any more of the pointing fingers!!
     
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  10. godnotgod

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    Stop mystifying the issue with smokescreens! Tell us why the self is real in 50 words or less.
     
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    From this it sounds like CC is the experience of abandoning self view, and not some kind of consciousness which "permeates" the universe.

    And yet above you say: "If you understood that everything is consciousness....", which seems to contradict this.

    So which is it? A proper definition or explanation of CC is still needed
     
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  12. godnotgod

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    or....

    'first there is Cosmic Consciousness;
    then there is no Cosmic Consciousness;
    then there is'


    (the second part is where Spiny is at):p
     
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    So swap the word understanding with the word realization. My point still stands. Why quibble with words?

    This wasnt my claim.

    Mind free from the triputi of knower, means of knowledge, and known object. The reflected consciousness in the mind becomes revealed in its pure state. This is according to Advaita but I dont insist that others must interpret the experience in the same way.
     
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    In the dissolution of 'self view', universal view becomes apparent, unless, of course, one is still laboring under self-view, but thinking he is not.
     
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    You still haven't provided a coherent definition of Cosmic Consciousness. One minute you're talking about everything being consciousness, the next about abandoning self-view, it's a muddle.

    You need to provide a coherent definition of "Cosmic Consciousness". Are you saying that everything is consciousness, or that consciousness permeates the universe, or that it's the experience of abandoning self view, or what exactly?

    Are you even capable of explaining clearly what you believe? I'm beginning to wonder.
     
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    And what does this "universal view" actually look like? What is your actual experience of it?
     
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    The finger isn't pointing in the wrong direction; you're just looking in the wrong direction.:p
     
  18. Rick O'Shez

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    It's just a tired cliche and a cop out.
     
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    It doesn't taste like chicken.
     
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    It's always a refreshing experience for me. Maybe the problem lies in your conditioned mentality, which preconceives the experience, rendering a jaded view.
     
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