You mean I do not KNOW the language, archaeology, history and changing culture*. You do not know if I understand it....or not.
*what's it mean I don't understand changing culture?
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The Bible, an important document. How can it be understood?
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You mean I do not KNOW the language, archaeology, history and changing culture*. You do not know if I understand it....or not.
*what's it mean I don't understand changing culture?
Do you intend to defend your claim or babble?
What do I not understand about changing culture please?
Alceste
Vagabond
You want to undo 2000 years of monotheistic patriarchy? Good! Me too!
kind of a big project though, and I really don't think a book about monotheism written by and for men is the best tool for the job.
You want to undo 2000 years of monotheistic patriarchy? Good! Me too!
OK! You do know "behind every good man is a woman" so it is true women were very much involved in writing it. I am holding no grudges that a woman is not an author. Maybe Daniel was a woman? LOL It would NOT surprise me....
The Bible "was written for" me. I am a woman. Let me see? Yup, a female.
See how in the same language something can have two very different meanings? Saying the Bible was written for me and saying the Bible was written for me too, have completely different perspectives. Yes?
This can also have two very different meanings. How would I know what you mean? I can not know. But knowing God means knowing what the meaning of the writing is.
The other real question I had was ignored. How do I not understand cultural change?
I wish I had kept count of all the questions I have asked on forums that have gone unanswered. I think 100 is not an exaggeration because I am tempted to think 200.
Alceste
Vagabond
No, women had absolutely nothing to do with writing it. That's an outrageous claim. If you're talking about making supper for the writers and washing their clothes, I do not agree that these activities constitute a significant contribution to the ideology conveyed in a work of literature. If so, you would never expect slave owners to be the most prolific apologists for slavery throughout the American civil war.
Also, it's wishful thinking to suppose it was written for you, given Paul's attitude toward women. Keep your mouth shut in church, and if you have any questions, ask your husband! Yeah, sounds like very useful advice for a woman. The church serves God, men serve the church, and women serve men. Very progressive thinker, Paul was.
In this case, I'd say so. As was pointed out, this is a debate section of RF. Specifically, it is a historical debate section. Although your opening at least asks for a discussion, you don't provide any parameters to frame a debate, making it difficult to have a constructive dialogue, and just about impossible to have one which is focused (or at least one that is focused, belongs in the "historical debates" section, and is relevant to the topic).
The importance of the scriptures of the Hebrews for World peace is not focused? How so? I will be the first to admit I AM NOT focused. Thank God for that I say! I will not be changing for RF. So sorry.
The focus of the thread is what did the Hebrews pass down to us? A key? I think so. How are we to understand what the key is for? I suppose we must recognize it IS a key, don't you think?
Nah. Males wrote the various books of the Bible. Not females. And within a very specific time frame and within a specific geographical location too. Those play a factor, certainly.
Feel free to think that. But what does this have to do with the migration of early humans 50,000 years ago from Africa after the last ice age?
Women had "absolutely nothing" to do with writing it. How did the writer know what happened to Esther in the private room?
You're asking for an assumption rather than empirical observations to back up a claim. That simply doesn't fly.
It's a key. It's an important document. It's the "key to world peace." Based on....what?
Alceste
Vagabond
I think in this context the obligation is on you to provide your hypothesis and the evidence supporting it. Do you have any evidence that there is a consistent message of peace in the Bible? Is God portrayed as a peaceful being? Does Jesus die a peaceful death? Is the underlying of Bible stories, like Adam and Eve, Noah's ark, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. one of kindness, compassion, tolerance and acceptance? And are the Hebrews portrayed as peaceful people? Throughout history, has adherence to the ideology in the Bible produced more peace than violence? How does it stand up against it's competitors in that regard, for example Buddhism?
With perhaps one or two exceptions.
No. Regardless of the truth of that claim, it is one which involves an extremely vast number of diverse topics from the incredibly complex nature of cultural and international dynamics, the current state of economic, military, technological, and other global forces affecting conflict, textual and theological interpretation, biblical Hebrew and ancient Greek, and on and on.
In which case the first thing you might want to establish is that there is any unified socio-cultural entity 'the Hebrews" allowing us to understand the bible as a "document" (as the thread title puts it) and a cohesive work produced by that socio-cultural entity ("the Hebrews").