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Texas Churches Are Suing FEMA for Excluding Them in Disaster Relief Grants

It Aint Necessarily So

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Three Texas churches damaged by Hurricane Harvey are suing the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) over their ineligibility when applying for disaster relief grants. FEMA doesn’t give money to religious organizations to avoid any excessive entanglement between church and state, but the churches say that’s unfair discrimination.

What’s especially interesting about this case is how the plaintiffs, aided by conservative lawyers at Becket, are citing the Supreme Court’s recent decision in Trinity Lutheran Church v. Comer to bolster their case, making it the first time we’ve seen that ruling used for a larger purpose.

That was the ruling that said Missouri couldn’t exclude churches from a taxpayer-funded grant if the purpose of the funding was secular, like renovating a playground.

Diana Verm, an attorney with Becket, was referring to that case when she said, “Hurricane Harvey didn’t cherry-pick its victims; FEMA shouldn’t cherry-pick who it helps.” But FEMA’s not cherry-picking at all. Not everyone gets to apply for grant money. It’s that simple. The rules were decided in advance. It didn’t seem to matter to these churches until they wanted a piece of the available cash.

Using Trinity as a starting point here also seems to stretch the limits of that decision. Five of the justices who ruled in favor of the Missouri church made clear the ruling applied only in cases like a church playground, where the benefits were secular.

We haven’t seen that decision applied at the federal level, but the FEMA case isn’t a natural consequence of Trinity. It’s ridiculous for anyone to argue taxpayers should fund the rebuilding of churches — which would obviously benefit religion — when no one would ask taxpayers to fund the building of those churches in the first place.


Thoughts? Should taxpayers rebuild churches?
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
"FEMA doesn’t give money to religious organizations to avoid any excessive entanglement between church and state,"

End of case. I would expect this to be thrown out of court.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
The churches don't pay property tax. They don't pay income tax. They can collect all the tax deductible donations anyone cares to give.
I think that they have enough taxpayer support. Give the FEMA money to the people who neither have those advantages nor enough spare cash to file such a frivolous lawsuit.
Tom
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Even if this case gets tossed (I hope), it demonstrates the immense power of legal precedent, and how even minor tweaks in legal precedent can initiate slippery slopes.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
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Three Texas churches damaged by Hurricane Harvey are suing the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) over their ineligibility when applying for disaster relief grants. FEMA doesn’t give money to religious organizations to avoid any excessive entanglement between church and state, but the churches say that’s unfair discrimination.

What’s especially interesting about this case is how the plaintiffs, aided by conservative lawyers at Becket, are citing the Supreme Court’s recent decision in Trinity Lutheran Church v. Comer to bolster their case, making it the first time we’ve seen that ruling used for a larger purpose.

That was the ruling that said Missouri couldn’t exclude churches from a taxpayer-funded grant if the purpose of the funding was secular, like renovating a playground.

Diana Verm, an attorney with Becket, was referring to that case when she said, “Hurricane Harvey didn’t cherry-pick its victims; FEMA shouldn’t cherry-pick who it helps.” But FEMA’s not cherry-picking at all. Not everyone gets to apply for grant money. It’s that simple. The rules were decided in advance. It didn’t seem to matter to these churches until they wanted a piece of the available cash.

Using Trinity as a starting point here also seems to stretch the limits of that decision. Five of the justices who ruled in favor of the Missouri church made clear the ruling applied only in cases like a church playground, where the benefits were secular.

We haven’t seen that decision applied at the federal level, but the FEMA case isn’t a natural consequence of Trinity. It’s ridiculous for anyone to argue taxpayers should fund the rebuilding of churches — which would obviously benefit religion — when no one would ask taxpayers to fund the building of those churches in the first place.


Thoughts? Should taxpayers rebuild churches?

To rebuild churches? Um, no. Maybe if they were using the money strictly to provide indiscriminate aid to the survivors.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Don't tease me with a good time!

But seriously, that is the crux of the issue for me. They don't pay into the pot, why should they get to take from it?
Aye, if the got without giving, it would be a subsidy.
Let'm buy whatever insurance is available.
And if there is none, what on Earth are they doing building in the path of certain disaster?
 

Kemosloby

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Yeah, sure since it was a disaster or why should taxpayers pay to build or rebuild anything.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Question on American insurances...would the church be covered?
(Assuming they'd paid for building insurance)
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
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Three Texas churches damaged by Hurricane Harvey are suing the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) over their ineligibility when applying for disaster relief grants. FEMA doesn’t give money to religious organizations to avoid any excessive entanglement between church and state, but the churches say that’s unfair discrimination.

What’s especially interesting about this case is how the plaintiffs, aided by conservative lawyers at Becket, are citing the Supreme Court’s recent decision in Trinity Lutheran Church v. Comer to bolster their case, making it the first time we’ve seen that ruling used for a larger purpose.

That was the ruling that said Missouri couldn’t exclude churches from a taxpayer-funded grant if the purpose of the funding was secular, like renovating a playground.

Diana Verm, an attorney with Becket, was referring to that case when she said, “Hurricane Harvey didn’t cherry-pick its victims; FEMA shouldn’t cherry-pick who it helps.” But FEMA’s not cherry-picking at all. Not everyone gets to apply for grant money. It’s that simple. The rules were decided in advance. It didn’t seem to matter to these churches until they wanted a piece of the available cash.

Using Trinity as a starting point here also seems to stretch the limits of that decision. Five of the justices who ruled in favor of the Missouri church made clear the ruling applied only in cases like a church playground, where the benefits were secular.

We haven’t seen that decision applied at the federal level, but the FEMA case isn’t a natural consequence of Trinity. It’s ridiculous for anyone to argue taxpayers should fund the rebuilding of churches — which would obviously benefit religion — when no one would ask taxpayers to fund the building of those churches in the first place.


Thoughts? Should taxpayers rebuild churches?
My feelings are churches should or ought to buy sufficient insurance covering it's buildings and grounds. The government needs to focus on its own public infrastructure.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Yeah, I guess that works out, don't pay property taxes, you're on your own.
They not only don't pay property taxes, they don't pay any taxes. But they do collect tax deductible donations from anyone and spend it on whatever they want.
From antigay slurs to lawsuits demanding FEMA money.
Tom
 
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