Mr Smoke can handle his own response, Pinkerton.
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Teabagger voter suppression plot exposed in Wisconsin
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LittlePinky82
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Remember what I said about personal attacks. Oh and you have no problem jumping in speaking for people do you? Especially us "left wingers" right? So please keep that crap to your hypocritical self.
Yes. Perhaps you should stop doing that.
You're welcome to file a complaint with the mods.
LittlePinky82
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If you think I've done a personal attack report it. Other wise just shut up. You would find I've done NO personal attacks. I'm not pathetic.
Good heavens....Pinky issues orders on the forum now?
LittlePinky82
Well-Known Member
Do you have anything to add? Any substance or you just here spamming? Again like I said: if you think I've done a personal attack report it. Other wise move on. I mentioned it once when you were being a douche and now I'm done. If you want to stay on that fine, but you won't be talking to me with that. I said my part and I'm moving on. I've got better things to do and talk about.
Smoke
Done here.
Instead of addressing what Shadow Wolf said, you made a bunch of insinuations about her character. Instead of addressing what I said, you just called me childish. You specialize in misdirection by personal attack, and yes, that's dishonest. You've successfully derailed the thread, though, so I guess dishonesty is working for you.
Let's get back on topic OK?
The only good thing I can see about the TEA party is, it is energising a group of people, (who are anti-government) to get out and vote.
The real issue here is, what we want to do as a country and how we are going to afford to do it.
No matter who holds office in the future, we are going to have to have a smaller government. Financial restraints will take over eventually.
As far as the OP goes, there is dirt in every campaign. I've yet to see a clean election.
Bottom line, come November the party is over for Democrats. I don't understand all the ruckus. It's not like they where getting much done anyway.
The only good thing I can see about the TEA party is, it is energising a group of people, (who are anti-government) to get out and vote.
The real issue here is, what we want to do as a country and how we are going to afford to do it.
No matter who holds office in the future, we are going to have to have a smaller government. Financial restraints will take over eventually.
As far as the OP goes, there is dirt in every campaign. I've yet to see a clean election.
Bottom line, come November the party is over for Democrats. I don't understand all the ruckus. It's not like they where getting much done anyway.
Yes, my post was personal towards you. That's cuz I addressed your ad hominem.
I think it was fair & appropriate to call Shadow on incorrect playing of the race card & her abuse of Tea Partiers.
You might consider that when you call someone dishonest, & that person knows otherwise, it just reflects poorly on you.
This is why we don't say everything that pops into our heads.
I think we should accept that political movements are generally sincere. We needn't look for conspiracies, sheets with
eyeholes or ulterior motives to explain them. It's more important to understand them than to insult & demonize them.
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Shadow Wolf
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Are Tea Partiers Racist? - Newsweek
Abusing them? The Tea Party seems to be the one doing the abuse. Why can't you just accept the Tea Party is filled with racism? It would be different if it was only a few people, but there have been so many incidents that the only way to ignore it is to turn a blind eye to it.
Dunemeister
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If this sort of behaviour was acceptable/justifiable in the formation of the Union, why not accept it as part of its ongoing behaviour?
Because I see no evidence that racism pervades the movement. I read about their candidates, rallies, etc in the news, & the only bigotry I
see is a few isolated examples, some of which were debunked as I recall. The same is true for Repubs & Dems, both of which have racists
in their midst, yet they aren't racist as a whole. I see no trend in the various Tea Party agendas which suggests prevalent racism to me.
You simply haven't made a case for your claim.
Perhaps because they're perceived as white & anit-government....or worse yet, conservative & because you're pro-government, you seek
only to find fault. (Note that I said "perhaps".) Were they predominantly black, lefties wouldn't accuse them of racism. This disparate treatment
strikes me as meta-racism. (I neither favor Tea Partiers nor oppose them. To me they're just a flash in the pan & of no long term consequence,
so I've no feelings about them. So I claim less bias than those for or against. But I be also more ignoranter & insensitiver than most, so I'm no authority.)
If you really just disagree with their agendas, why not focus on that, rather than insults & demonization? (Your views are too interesting to let ad hominems
become a distraction.) Such dwelling on rancor & hatred is what makes politics, government & economics so hard to discuss these days.
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Shadow Wolf
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:areyoucra If you think it's wrong to not want to associate with racist, then yes I am guilty. If I am a wrong to think it would be embarrassing to the nation to put some of these people in office, then I am wrong. Like or hate Obama, at least he is still favored globally.
I don't like those either. But I feel the racist issue is one of the biggest concerns. They can get mad at Obama for whatever petty issue they want, be mislead about the health care bill, or whatever. The frequency in which Reagan is misquoted and misrepresented is alarming. (Funny how when Obama says or does something that Reagan did, Obama gets criticized for it.)
But a group that tolerates racism like that is not a group that I want running the nation. If the Tea Party gets too much power, it can mean bad things for many minority groups in America.
You know that isn't what I said or intended. I don't care whom you associate with.
But I gladly associate with racists, sexists, zealots, etc....how else does one influence to them a more open view?
I spend more time with Democrats & theists than I do with Libertarians & atheists. Tis how I serve humanity.
It isn't about being embarrassed by the antics of rabble running for office, nor is it about how much foreigners like Obama.
If popularity were truth, I'd have to become a Xtian.
How much of it is an organized campaign of dishonesty by Democrats? Is the following just the tip of the iceberg?
Left Admits: Racism Charges Against Tea Parties a Tactic, Not a Truth
How many of the supposed racist Tea Partiers are actually Democratic spoofs?
Does this mean that the Democratic Party is just as racist, if not more so?
They all strike me as irrelevant distractions from the real issues: war, economy, civil liberties, taxes, etc.
Then I urge you to point out those issues. Besides, misleading about the health care bill is endemic to both parties. When I hear
Democratic apologists on NPR decry the false notion of "death panels", & then later talk about "end of life panels", I know that a
whole lotta people are either lying or lost in their hyperbole. When I find that the health care bill has non-health regulatory
demands (eg, 1099 reporting), I know that a Trojan horse is within the walls.
Such as one which has a special Congressional Caucus for blacks only? Or one which had revered member who was a Ku Klux Klan
leader? Or one whose high level functionaries openly admit accusing Tea Partiers of racism as a tactic, fully aware it's a lie.
Or the party which invented Jim Crow. Or....you get the picture. Democrats (& Republicans) may lay no claim to sainthood.
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LOL!!! Do you actually believe that Government is going to set up death panels?
Did not Bill Clinton say, "It's all about the economy stupid"?
He was right and I believe it caused him to win the election. Only an idiot would want to raise taxes during the worst recession in 60 years.
All these trillions of dollars we have spent trying to create jobs is a very expensive non-solution at best.
You want to stimulate the economy? Let's have a tax holiday!
He was right and I believe it caused him to win the election. Only an idiot would want to raise taxes during the worst recession in 60 years.
All these trillions of dollars we have spent trying to create jobs is a very expensive non-solution at best.
You want to stimulate the economy? Let's have a tax holiday!
No....at least not as vaguely portrayed in the media. However, I do believe that it is absolutely necessary to have some panel
(or other aptly named body) devise a method of allocating treatments based upon cost effectiveness, quality of life & longevity.
95 year old alcoholic smokers should not be getting heart & lung transplants on the taxpayer's dime. They're gonna die. Babies
with cleft palates need surgery. The middle between those extremes will be a big bone of contention. Resources are limited &
demands are not, so this must be worked out. I don't see any public discussion of this issue, which will be paramount to success
of the health care system, but it must have been dealt with in some fashion.
(This can't possibly be a partisan matter, can it?)
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I might be that idiot. The trick is to raise revenue in a way which enhances productivity.
Simple example: If we ditched personal deductions, eliminated capital gains taxes & lowered marginal tax rates, we'd provide
greater incentive for work, investment & business. This could be designed such that tax revenue actually increased. We're
gonna have to pay down Bush's & Obama's horrendous debt, so it's time to tighten our belts, & pay China back.
But given the incompetence & corruption in DC, I wouldn't trust'm to do anything useful with tax policy.
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I'm not so sure. We cannot have people retiring for 30 years can we? The Social Security system was not designed to pay people that long.
You can't expect folks to work till there 70 either. Something has to give.
The Government will not be able to meet their obligations. Too many people pay little if no taxes while the elite Liberals believe the rich should pay for it all.
What we are headed for is 51% of Americans will vote that the other 49% pay for everything. Draconian taxes will cause capitalism to become unattractive and unemployment will sky rocket.
When everyone sits on their butt and does nothing, who will carry the water then?
I agree that there are tough policy decisions. I just see that those are universally recognized problems, & something we
can discuss without having the Dems, Repubs, Commies & Libertarians at each others' throats. Or so I hope.