But you don't need to know the mathematics to use them.
One can not really know how to use mathematics properly if he does not really study it. He has to rely on mathematicians to tell him what to do. It is somewhat slavish.
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But you don't need to know the mathematics to use them.
One can not really know how to use mathematics properly if he does not really study it. He has to rely on mathematicians to tell him what to do. It is somewhat slavish.
To convert out of atanu's slightly over-mystical language, you don't need to know you know mathematics in order to deduce truths from it.One can not really know how to use mathematics properly if he does not really study it. He has to rely on mathematicians to tell him what to do. It is somewhat slavish.
Are thoughts substances of different kind that transcends material substances? If so, it is not possible to directly detect thoughts with material instruments. However, we can test whether thoughts have material correspondences. I will be wrong to take some thoughts as false when we are unable to find material substances that match them up.
If thought substances are real, then spiritual substances can also be real. But such substances can never be discovered without thought substances.
Religion works on spiritual substances which take expressions in thought substances. There is no material evidence to support spiritual evidence; therefore, science will fail absolutely if it ventures into religious territories.
Has science invented a fine enough tool to touch spirit?
Poetry and art touches spirit.
To make it easier what is missing from consciousness that can't be programmed or mimicked somehow? If anything the amount of memory potential is greater in brains and they are faster. What else is missing?
Correlation observed by a normally amnesic "ghost in the machine" is valuable info.So correlation really is causation. Good to know.
Excellent question: "What else is missing?" Brains are not actually capable of better memory potential. With distributed processing and distributed storage we have systems today that have a great deal more storage capacity than the brain (by a large amount). If you look at the actual processing speed of the brain it is actually quite a bit slower than modern computers; what the brain is actually good at is parallel processing. The brain parallel processes many times better than current computing standards.
Things to consider: The brain is an auto-associative network of immense complexity; our brain's pattern matching "software" (how is this "software" constructed and where does it originate?) is capable of collating and assessing and associating incomplete patterns at a remarkable rate and do so with an accuracy we cannot match with our neural network analogues. Near death experiences do not seem to have fully physiological causes; stick someone in a G-simulator and spin them until blood flow stops going to the brain and brain activity stops, and we have never once had someone report back a near death experience (something else is going on in people who have near death experiences; or post death in the cases where the person is declared clinically dead). How do you propose to test for self-awareness? What properties would you use to distinguish something interacting with their environment via rote methodology from something which was aware of their own awareness and thus capable of updating their methodologies?
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Brains are not actually capable of better memory potential
If you look at the actual processing speed of the brain it is actually quite a bit slower than modern computers
Things to consider: The brain is an auto-associative network of immense complexity; our brain's pattern matching "software"
stick someone in a G-simulator and spin them until blood flow stops going to the brain and brain activity stops, and we have never once had someone report back a near death experience
What properties would you use to distinguish something interacting with their environment via rote methodology from something which was aware of their own awareness and thus capable of updating their methodologies?