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Stoned drivers?

Discussion in 'Down Under Politics' started by SomeRandom, Sep 25, 2022.

  1. SomeRandom

    SomeRandom Still learning to be wise
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    Very soon my home state QLD (and some others, I think Vic among them) will reevaluate drug driving laws. It is illegal to drive when under the influence of THC. However critics argue that users of medicinal marijuana (which is legal in QLD afaik) is detectable for a number of days. Meaning users need to choose between medicine or driving.
    Essentially the argument is that I think driving needs to be visibly impaired to officers or maybe a small allowance, similar to blood alcohol (legal limit is 0.05.)

    What are your thoughts my Aussie stoners lol ;)
    https://www.news.com.au/technology/...ws-story/40a5dfb3009aad42d6d5d0d0d3f6451a?amp
     
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  2. stvdv

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    1 once got a ride of a man who smoked M.

    His job was an acrobat, walking on a rope in the air. He was driving more straight under influence than I drive without

    So, it is not a fact that "driving under influence is dangerous". But it is a fact that not many can walk straight on a rope in the air ;)
     
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    Only the Australians would make it illegal to drink while stoned. :D Serious business, drinking.

    Or was that just a Freudian slip on your part?.......
     
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  4. SomeRandom

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    Freudian slip indeed :):D:D:p:p:oops:
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    Fixed now lol

    But drinking is indeed serious business ;):p
     
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    Surely one should avoid driving when taking any prescription medication which could effect your ability to do so safely? In any case, isn't the cannabis extract used for medicinal purposes CBD, rather than the hallucinogenic THC?
     
  6. SomeRandom

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    Whilst I agree
    The argument, as I understand it, is that medicinal cannabis can be detected in the body well after it has been taken. Meaning it doesn’t always impair driving in the sense that it can “wear off” but still show up in roadside drug tests.
    So I would think a minimum safe level will be proposed, similar to alcohol.

    And you’re likely right about CBD vs THC. But I honestly don’t know enough to comment. I think our roadside tests don’t make the distinction really, but don’t quote me on that
     
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    You might be right about the reliability of those roadside tests. I work on the railway in the U.K., and a few of my colleagues have failed drug and alcohol tests due to over the counter painkillers like Ibuprofen showing up as opiates. Blood tests are a lot more accurate, I believe.

    And yeah, cannabis seems to stay in the blood a long time; we see far more positive results for cannabis than alcohol.

    Is recreational cannabis legal in any states in Australia? It’s still illegal in the U.K., but it’s everywhere, you can’t walk down a street in London without smelling it, so I suppose it will have to be legalised eventually. I’m sure the government could use the tax revenue, if nothing else.
     
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  8. SomeRandom

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    Oh yeah, roadside tests aren’t even used as legal evidence anymore, as far as I’m aware. (Maybe if they have no other choice. But still.)
    Largely due to their overall unreliability. Hence blood testing afterwards.
    And yeah there are a lot of pain killers, sold over the counter even, that contain opiates for instance. That’s the trouble with drugs in general. Whilst they are admittedly very easy to abuse, a lot of the chemical makeup found in illicit drugs is also used for legitimate medical purposes. Everything from opiates to CBD as discussed and indeed even some ingredients found in hard drugs. Some prescription drugs may make you fail a roadside test because of their ingredients. Always carry your doctor’s note, just in case, that’s what I say!

    I think that’s why they’re reviewing the laws.
    Whilst I don’t think people should be driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, there is nuance to consider as well.
    As in all things.

    Only Medicinal cannabis is legal on a federal level.
    As of now only the ACT (Australian Capital Territory) has legalised recreational weed, albeit only allowing for small personal amounts.
    The rest of the states have made recreational weed illegal. And indeed they vary on their strictness with regards to the legal sale, growth and possession of medicinal cannabis. Though with growing public support of the Legalise Cannabis Party (yes, that’s a real political party in Aus as of 1993) that very well may change in the near future. Especially with increasingly relaxed attitudes towards weed from the general public as of late. Likely due to it being perceived as “not as bad” as other drugs on the market.
    Australia does have a lot of anti drug laws, but we don’t have nearly the same amount of fervour in our “war on drugs” as our Yank counterparts. Indeed that awful approach may have helped recreational drug use lobbyists in the long run in other countries, to be honest
    And yea, there’s a lot of the old weed smell when you walk some streets here, is all I’ll say lol
    A State-by-State Guide to Cannabis in Australia

    Legalise Cannabis Australia - Wikipedia
     
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  9. Orbit

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    I live in a U.S. state that recently legalized recreational marijuana. Everyone seemed concerned about stoned driving, but it actually hasn't been much of a problem.
     
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  10. It Aint Necessarily So

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    Since they persist elevated for weeks after use, THC levels don't correlate with degree of impairment the way that blood alcohol levels do, and therefore are an inadequate proxy for impairment. I would think that a roadside test similar to the one given suspected drunk drivers should be necessary before issuing a ticket or making an arrest, and that THC levels shouldn't even be drawn or tested.
     
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  11. Windwalker

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    Except that they all drive 5 MPH under the speed limit. :)
     
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    Impaired driving is very risky to the entire community.
    Most substances have a detection level that relates to the clear impairment (Like BAC). Marijuana is different it lingers for a month or more. I really doubt we will have the tech to sort out the levels for safe driving anytime soon.
     
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    Yes, just drive around them.
     
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