States vs. "Woke" Corporations

[Shadow Wolf]

Those middle aged men were essentially teens when the franchise began.

And?

People grow up along with their games and passions you know.

And they usually get adult interest and hobbies as they grow into adults. Yeah, video games aren't all for kids, and indeed some of them do manage to succeed very well as an interactive story telling medium with themes that can keep a philosophy major entertained, and something like Tetris or Dr. Mario is great brain exercise for any age, but ultimately the target and primary demograph of video games aren't old enough to vote.

Like old men with Lionel Train layouts. It's an active hobby for all ages.

From what I've seen they tend to double as an art project. Far more than a child merely setting up a rail system just to take it apart and put it away to do it again to play again.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Then the dev team went on a quest to kill the game and the mechanics that made it great in the first place.

They finally succeeded in killing their franchise with the latest installment in spectacular fashion as sales figure shows the reality of how far gone they had become.

People take risks and try new things. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Like Diablo 3. I think it shamed the series. Many agree. Many don't. But it's a business, they'll make what they want and despite the complaints it did well commercially.
But sometimes the changes and risks it took turn out so bad it wrecks an entire division, an entire company, even the entire industry.
Movies are really no different. And you think today is bad try about 80-100 years ago when it was required that good win and the villains not be morally ambiguous or a character we can sympathize with.

 

[HonestJoe]

Well your in the minority.

Everyone else says it is.

That is demonstrably false though, because there are articles from people challenging the claims the game is "woke" too. If everyone was saying the same thing, it wouldn't be a debate in the first place (and nobody would be making money from articles and videos about it).

Regardless, I wasn't specifically claiming the game isn't "woke", I was pointing out that the video you presented as evidence that game is "woke" contained literally nothing that even tried to say that beyond the click-bait title. In fact, it presented other reasons that the game wasn't very good and thus wasn't very successful. It is a bad example for something failing because it is "woke".

 

[wellwisher]

So much for believing in a free market and freedom of choice for individuals.

It is not free choice when biased federal law, forces their version of PC onto corporate law, designed to force the workforce, to behave like card carrying Lefty robots. The Fed has no business in the free market, unless the rights of citizens are being undermined. This is how the Right is using government is accord with the Constitution.

A free market offers choices and not Lefty conformity, like electric cars or else. That is how corporate woke is set up; Lefty way or the highway. The Left does not believe in freedom, but redefines freedom to mean only what Lefty wants. In a truly free society, if you wish to fixate on pronouns that is your choice. If you wish to make fun of those who fixate on pronouns, that is also your free choice; comedy is part of free speech and freedom of choice. The problem is there is a forced conformity to a political cult made up of emotionally regressed babies, who will use crying, to force adults into a type of acceptance; lessor of two evils. Big mama uses the guilt trip to defend nonsense.

Woke reminds me of a family with an overbearing mother, who is also a little out there. This type of mother may not be bad, if she had a solid connection to reality, but Lefty mom does not have such a connection to reality. The father needs to step in to prevent his daughter from becoming a future manipulative nag and his son from becoming a boy who can be dominated. The father prefers they make their own choices, and not be force by big mama, who will threatens to make all their lives miserable, if she is not right by default.

Corporations follow along, mostly out of back room threats and promises of corporate welfare. Green energy is the new business welfare baby. Do they use woke policy as part of their quid pro quo, or do they do that because of the unwritten laws of free enterprise? Free enterprise makes the most money when they can serve all customers and not just the Lefty customers. The Right is giving choice back to the corporations and their employees by making it OK to ignore the illegal Federal threats and bribes. Free Business needs to worry more about the consumer, who has all types of beliefs, and not just Lefty.

Free people are tired of forced conformity based on Lefty disinformation.The Left does not like it when their games meet resistance. Just like an over bearing mother, they get upset at any reality check. People go to work for a job or they watch sports to relax, not to learn the pledge allegiance to the Lefty flag. This, in your face all the time, gets on your nerves.

Why has politics been allowed to infiltrate the free market, as well as sports and entertainment, to make it not free; biased guilt trips and threats by big mama? Twitter shows the type of games the Left will play, and how they cheat, intimidate, and censor, to create an illusion of this being consensus and consensual. The Swamp has an end game, but this is only half time. It is not over yet. The Right is now pushing the ball down the field. Lefty is trying to cheat, but the refs are watching and will take the payoff, to look the other way.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It is not free choice when biased federal law, forces their version of PC onto corporate law, designed to force the workforce, to behave like card carrying Lefty robots. The Fed has no business in the free market, unless the rights of citizens are being undermined. This is how government is used in accord with the Constitution.

A free market offers choices and not Lefty conformity, like electric cars or else. The Left does not believe in freedom but defines freedom as only what Lefty wants. If you wish to fixate on pronouns that is your choice. If you wish to make fun of those who fixate on pronouns that it's also free choice; comedy is part of free speech and freedom of choice. The problem is forced conformity to a political cult made up of emotional regressed babies, who will use crying to force adult in to a type of conformity.

Woke reminds me of a family with an overbearing mother, who is also a little out there. This type of mother may not be bad if she had a solid connection to reality, but she does not. The father needs to step in to prevent his daughter from becoming a future manipulative nag, and his son from becoming a sally boy who will marry a nag. The father prefers they make their own choices, and not be force by big mama, who will threatens to make their life miserable, if she is not right.

Corporations follow along, mostly out of back room threats and promises of corporate welfare. Green energy is the new business welfare baby. Do they use woke as part of their quid pro quo or because of the laws of free enterprise? The Right is giving choice back to the corporations and their employees by making it OK to ignore the Federal threats and bribes.

They are tired of forced conformity based on Lefty disinformation.The Left does not like it when their games meet resistance. Just like an over bearing mother, they get upset at any reality check. People go to work or for a job or watch sport to relax, not to learn the pledge allegiance to the Lefty flag. Why has politics been allowed to infiltrate the free market as well as sports and entertainment, to make it not free? Twitter shows the type of games the Left will play, and how they cheat, intimidate, and censor, to create an illusion of this being consensual. The Swamp has an end game and this is only half time. It is not over yet.

Eventually the pendulum will swing back the other way. It always does.

It's why I like Elon Musk so much.

Although I'll admit the free meals in the Twitter cafeteria could of stayed as a perk for morale.

Those ridiculous meditation rooms and 'me' and 'i' motivaters.. yea. Get rid of that garbage.

 

[SomeRandom]

Eventually the pendulum will swing back the other way. It always does.
So it will swing back left eventually I. The US? .

Lol the rest of the world are waiting until you guys swing back to normal

It's why I like Elon Musk so much..

Why? Elon is a….something I can’t say here lol
But in all seriousness, he’s less likeable than a CEO. Wtf?

Although I'll admit the free meals in the Twitter cafeteria could of stayed as a perk for morale..

They’re overrated honestly

Those ridiculous meditation rooms and 'me' and 'i' motivaters.. yea. Get rid of that garbage.

You’ve clearly never needed some “me time”
Like wow. Not human much?


(I’m kidding. But seriously, you never needed a bit of a breather? Like ever?)

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Freckle *****es is gone. The name was changed. Guess it was too offensive.

And we can tell that neither you nor the critics have really played the game. Freckle B's is still in the reboot, the only change is that the "Fun Bag" has been replaced by the "Brat Box". Which is arguably more raunchy, as "box" is slang for a vagina.

Rim jobs is gone. The name was changed. Guess it was too offensive.

To what, Hue? Oh yes, Jim Robs, which is now not an automechanic shop but a chop shop with a Hispanic mascot.

It's centered on zoomers who are robbing and killing to pay off their student college loans as a main story line. WTF.

Oh nooooo how dare it include young people and commentary on our economic state in a satirical and outlandish fashion.

Dubstep gun. Ugh... woke or not.

Not woke in the slightest, and that was Saint's Row IV.

Entire cast was comprised of hipster millennials obsessed with social media.

Okay Boomer. 1. You do realize that Millennials are in their 30's to 40's, right? *****ing about two generations in a single post, that's gotta be some record! And 2., you're really going to whine about social media in relation to a video game???

Influencer Anita Sarkeesian was involved in an advisory capacity with the developer. Self explanatory.

Not self explanatory.

Literally none of this is "woke". The closest that you'd even get is the plotline of murder and theft to pay off loans, and yet that's literally no different than any other crime game. Gods, what a flaccid criticism, and yet another terrible example of "wokeness" proving you Repubs have no clue what it actually is and just use it as a "catch all" for things that rustle your jimmys.

 

[Revoltingest]

Their definition may be accurate but their usage is not.

No, cons & libs use "socialism" pretty much
the same way, ie, any government program
that benefits the populace directly, eg, welfare,
health care. (Libs & cons have more in common
than they believe.)
Neither side uses a dictionary, ie, the people
owning the means of production.

 

[Twilight Hue]

.....
Neither side uses a dictionary, ie, the people
owning the means of production.

No. It's the government that likes calling themselves 'the people' owning/controlling the means of production.

 

[Revoltingest]

No. It's the government that likes calling themselves 'the people' owning/controlling the means of production.

"The people" are always under the thumb boot of government.
At least under capitalism, individual people can still own a business.

 

[Twilight Hue]

"The people" are always under the thumb boot of government.
At least under capitalism, individual people can still own a business.

They can own it, but the government definitely controls it same as if they own it themselves.

 

[Father Heathen]

Freckle *****es is gone. The name was changed. Guess it was too offensive.

Rim jobs is gone. The name was changed.
Guess it was too offensive.

How is that "woke"? Religious conservatives are prudes and would consider these offensive. Are they "woke"?
That never would've been allowed in TV, especially during the 1950's. Was that a "woke" time period?
If anything, they made the game more conservative.

"It's centered on zoomers who are robbing and killing to pay off their student college loans as a main story line. WTF."

Dubstep gun. Ugh... woke or not.

Entire cast was comprised of hipster millennials obsessed with social media.

How is any of that "woke"? As suspected, this is a nothingburger drenched in manufactured outrage sauce.

Influencer Anita Sarkeesian was involved in an advisory capacity with the developer. Self explanatory.

Who?

 

[Revoltingest]

They can own it, but the government definitely controls it same as if they own it themselves.

This ignores the great difference in how controlling
government is. Under socialism, the individual
cannot own a means of production at all. Under
capitalism, there is merely regulation, eg, labor
laws, environmental, safety.

 

[Father Heathen]

Not all games are for kids. Obviously. Try playing SCUM, Postal, or ARMA.


The orginal SRs were made with gang rivalry and warfare in mind. At least 1 and 2 were. 3 was OK, but it was starting to separate from its gangland roots and started to get its ridiculous mechanics.

Then the dev team went on a quest to kill the game and the mechanics that made it great in the first place.

They finally succeeded in killing their franchise with the latest installment in spectacular fashion as sales figure shows the reality of how far gone they had become.

Real shame.

Oh, well. Let the market speak, and poor sales will be their punishment. Also, you could get Duke Nukem Forever dirt cheap for your misogynist/sexual/toilet humor fix.

 

[Father Heathen]

Those middle aged men were essentially teens when the franchise began.

People grow up along with their games and passions you know.

Like old men with Lionel Train layouts. It's an active hobby for all ages.

I grew up with games like Postal 1 & 2 and Duke Nukem, I enjoyed them and thought they were funny, but I can understand why they wouldn't be marketable or appeal to mainstream tastes today. Culture changes and some things simply age like milk.

 

[Father Heathen]

It is not free choice when biased federal law, forces their version of PC onto corporate law, designed to force the workforce, to behave like card carrying Lefty robots. The Fed has no business in the free market, unless the rights of citizens are being undermined. This is how the Right is using government is accord with the Constitution.

A free market offers choices and not Lefty conformity, like electric cars or else. That is how corporate woke is set up; Lefty way or the highway. The Left does not believe in freedom, but redefines freedom to mean only what Lefty wants. In a truly free society, if you wish to fixate on pronouns that is your choice. If you wish to make fun of those who fixate on pronouns, that is also your free choice; comedy is part of free speech and freedom of choice. The problem is there is a forced conformity to a political cult made up of emotionally regressed babies, who will use crying, to force adults into a type of acceptance; lessor of two evils. Big mama uses the guilt trip to defend nonsense.

Woke reminds me of a family with an overbearing mother, who is also a little out there. This type of mother may not be bad, if she had a solid connection to reality, but Lefty mom does not have such a connection to reality. The father needs to step in to prevent his daughter from becoming a future manipulative nag and his son from becoming a boy who can be dominated. The father prefers they make their own choices, and not be force by big mama, who will threatens to make all their lives miserable, if she is not right by default.

Corporations follow along, mostly out of back room threats and promises of corporate welfare. Green energy is the new business welfare baby. Do they use woke policy as part of their quid pro quo, or do they do that because of the unwritten laws of free enterprise? Free enterprise makes the most money when they can serve all customers and not just the Lefty customers. The Right is giving choice back to the corporations and their employees by making it OK to ignore the illegal Federal threats and bribes. Free Business needs to worry more about the consumer, who has all types of beliefs, and not just Lefty.

Free people are tired of forced conformity based on Lefty disinformation.The Left does not like it when their games meet resistance. Just like an over bearing mother, they get upset at any reality check. People go to work for a job or they watch sports to relax, not to learn the pledge allegiance to the Lefty flag. This, in your face all the time, gets on your nerves.

Why has politics been allowed to infiltrate the free market, as well as sports and entertainment, to make it not free; biased guilt trips and threats by big mama? Twitter shows the type of games the Left will play, and how they cheat, intimidate, and censor, to create an illusion of this being consensus and consensual. The Swamp has an end game, but this is only half time. It is not over yet. The Right is now pushing the ball down the field. Lefty is trying to cheat, but the refs are watching and will take the payoff, to look the other way.

Most of that was incoherent but anyway,
would you consider conservative Christian prudes to be "woke"? They used to whine about sex and violence in movies, music, games, etc. And also against porn, gambling, alcohol, cannabis, etc.
What makes them exempt from the "woke" label?

 

[Father Heathen]

Eventually the pendulum will swing back the other way. It always does.

Do you think it will swing back on the abolition of slavery, women's right to vote, etc? or are you simply hoping?

It's why I like Elon Musk so much.

Although I'll admit the free meals in the Twitter cafeteria could of stayed as a perk for morale.

Those ridiculous meditation rooms and 'me' and 'i' motivaters.. yea. Get rid of that garbage.

How many billions did Musk lose again?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you think it will swing back on the abolition of slavery, women's right to vote, etc? or are you simply hoping?


How many billions did Musk lose again?

Well. Slavery was never completely abolished. So there is an egregious error on your part.

And no, as long as citizens file personal income taxes and have a permanent address or domicile, I'm sure their voting privileges will stay intact for the foreseeable future.

It's a shame political views overrides Musk's endeavors. He's actually a genius that people ought to pay attention to. If anyone can improve EVs, among other things, its him and the team he hires. But of course, political positioning is far more important than the causes themselves for certain groups.

That's life.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I grew up with games like Postal 1 & 2 and Duke Nukem, I enjoyed them and thought they were funny, but I can understand why they wouldn't be marketable or appeal to mainstream tastes today. Culture changes and some things simply age like milk.

Me too. I'm glad you enjoy those timeless classics.

My problem is how those classics are being destroyed to accommodate a political view that somehow must be shoehorn'ed into everything now.

I'm not against wokeness or woke-ism, just make their own stuff and leave the classics and its sequels intact . I don't think that's too much to ask.

 

[Father Heathen]

Me too. I'm glad you enjoy those timeless classics.

My problem is how those classics are being destroyed to accommodate a political view and somehow must be shoehorn'ed into everything now.

Which political views in particular?

I'm not against wokeness or woke-ism,

Again, how do you define it? "The right" doesn't use the term in a way consistent or coherent enough to be meaningful. In fact, they're the only ones I ever see using the term.