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States vs. "Woke" Corporations

Stevicus

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I never saw the point of a non-smoking section. The tables immediately around you aren't, but the ones over there are you, often had to walk through them, and there still being a general cloud of smokiness in some of them.
I never considered it before, but yeah this did slowly happen over decades of time. When I was young it was just the norm and you saw it everywhere and didn't think of it or notice it, but last time I was in Oklahoma (a few years ago) it was disgusting stopping at a hotel and being asked "smoking or non?"

First time I heard "smoking or non-smoking" was when checking in at the airport. It was at some point in the 70s that it started in restaurants in California, although it didn't really become a thing in other states until a few years later. When I started working, smoking at the workplace was a common thing. I don't think most smokers intentionally meant to harm anyone (even if they knew they were harming themselves), or at least, they probably didn't think about it very much.

A lot of this also happened with gradual, steady increases in cigarette taxes, and that may have also contributed to smokers' complaints.
 

Stevicus

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@Twilight Hue In your own words, how/why is the new Saints Row game "woke"?

I wasn't really familiar with Saints Row (never played it) and wasn't aware of what this side discussion is about, so out of curiosity, I did some searching and found an article on this: Saints Row Backlash Explained: Why This Reboot Is Already Getting So Much Fan Hate | Den of Geek

However, that willingness to go so far over the top and skewer absolutely everything meant that Saints Row often went way too far. The Saints Row games have historically been filled with homophobia, racism, numerous instances of sexual violence towards women being played for laughs, and numerous other instances of crass content often justified in the name of parody.

The series actually did get a little better in that respect as it went on (honestly, some Saints Row moments and characters are downright wholesome in their own way), but there’s a degree to which embracing the franchise at its best meant being willing to tolerate, overlook, or yes, even love the games at their worst. At some point, the offensive nature of the Saints Row series became one of its defining features.

Right from the start, the developers of the 2022 Saints Row reboot have been clear about their desire to target some of Saints Row‘s most offensive elements while attempting to retain some of the absurdity that helped make the rest of the franchise work. In an interview with GamesIndustry.biz, Saints Row producer Rob Loftus offered this explanation for the team’s desire to not just reboot the franchise but to reexamine some of the themes that the franchise was built upon:

“It wasn’t a choice where somebody on the publishing side, or somebody on the business side said, ‘You know what? Societal tastes have changed and we need to change Saints Row. It was our own thinking that drove this…I think that a lot of content creators and brands are trying to expand their audience. And that means not connecting with that type of humour. It’s about connecting with a type of humour that is more suitable for a larger audience.”

So, it seems they used to have content "filled with homophobia, racism, numerous instances of sexual violence towards women being played for laughs," and apparently, the latest edition isn't having that. They said societal tastes have changed (which is true enough) and that they're trying to appeal to a wider audience (profit motive).
 

Shadow Wolf

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I believe that it originally meant an awareness of systematic racism, but now "woke" = laws against public smoking, acknowledging the existence of gay people, ecological conservation, opposing sexual harassment, etc.
From something I posted a while back:

"Woke" or "stay woke" has origins in the 1930's, specifically from African-American Vernacular English, to denote vigilance and awareness to racial injustices still persisting. It was coined by the songwriter Huddie Ledbetter, who said "I advise everybody, be a little careful when they go along through there – best stay woke, keep their eyes open." Use of it persisted in the slang of telling people to "Wake up" when they needed to be aware of things around them, and by 2010 the notion had expanded to social awareness of several forms of injustice.
 

Stevicus

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Reading the woke part, I got the feeling it's basically a bunch of middle aged men who never grew up and still think video games are made with them in mind.

That's what I used to think about Super Mario Brothers. I tend to gravitate more towards turn-based, strategy games. Although I did like some of the Command and Conquer series. I tried GTA, but I couldn't really get into it, and it seems this Saints Row is similar to that.
 

The Kilted Heathen

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So, it seems they used to have content "filled with homophobia, racism, numerous instances of sexual violence towards women being played for laughs," and apparently, the latest edition isn't having that. They said societal tastes have changed (which is true enough) and that they're trying to appeal to a wider audience (profit motive).
So I absolutely cannot speak for Saint's Row and Saint's Row 2. Saint's Row 3 and SR3: Gat Out of Hell absolutely had none of that. So color me suspicious of a Gaming Journalist that didn't play the game in the slightest.
 

Stevicus

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So I absolutely cannot speak for Saint's Row and Saint's Row 2. Saint's Row 3 and SR3: Gat Out of Hell absolutely had none of that. So color me suspicious of a Gaming Journalist that didn't play the game in the slightest.

Yeah, I was just mainly curious regarding the discussion about Saint's Row that was taking place in this thread. It kept getting mentioned in multiple posts, so I wanted to find out what this game was all about and why some people thought it was "woke."
 

Heyo

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I can't help but think that everybody using the word "Woke" is doing a Humpty-Dumpty. "“When I use a word… it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.” It is becoming, if I may say it, somewhat tiresome.
That's why I put it in quotation marks. And I specified anti-ESG laws to explain what is the real problem.
I'll tell you what I think: I think that the right (okay, let's name it -- the Republican Party) has decided to target a really small minority of its population as "the enemy" that they can get dumb supporters to fear, and therefore get behind the Republicans.

Hell, those 0.0047% (mostly young) who identify as "transgender" must be such an existential threat to America that they should be a primary focus of everybody's attention! Really? I mean, really? And all those hordes (3 or 4 in a 100) of gay people trying to convert everybody else! How terrifying!
Right, transgender and gay people are a tiny minority and an easy target for the reps - but environmentalists are not and neither are the allies of the tiny minorities (at least among younger voters). Anti-ESG laws oppose the opinions of a vast majority.
(By the way, gay people know better than anybody that you can't convert somebody. And they know this because they know they can't be converted themselves.)

And do you know something? I think it might work. Ron Desantis sure as hell thinks it will. A terrified population (even of imaginary enemies) is a malleable population.
Only pandering to your own base works as long as your base is slightly stronger than the opposing base. But it also drives people away. Once the majority swaps due to generational effects, it will be very hard, if not impossible, to get those voters back.
 

Heyo

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It's just some of the examples you give, particularly in regards to environmentalism, seem more like RW caricature examples,
They are. In their attempts to "own the libs" the pubs have started to target their own allies when they aren't 100% on board with the party line.
 

Twilight Hue

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@Twilight Hue In your own words, how/why is the new Saints Row game "woke"?
Freckle *****es is gone. The name was changed. Guess it was too offensive.

Rim jobs is gone. The name was changed.
Guess it was too offensive.

It's centered on zoomers who are robbing and killing to pay off their student college loans as a main story line. WTF.

Dubstep gun. Ugh... woke or not.

Entire cast was comprised of hipster millennials obsessed with social media.

Influencer Anita Sarkeesian was involved in an advisory capacity with the developer. Self explanatory.

You probably were reading Forbes on the same question.

Is Saints Row ‘Woke’? An Investigation
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Manufactured outrage got'em again
No. It's they toned it down because the game might 'offend" certain demographics like women vs Freckle *****es as an example. Demeaning to women right?

Rim jobs is another attempt to to tone down 'offensiveness'.

Now it wants, must be made to be 'inclusive' for zoomers so they are not felt left out?

It's not manufactured outrage as I'm clearly not the only one saying it. This game was clearly toned back because the woke idiots felt its content was to offensive and must be more accommodating in general.

Anita Sarkeesian again advised the devs...... what a *****. The non freckled poster ***** of wokeness. Nobody will beat her meat. Right?

Try again.
 

SomeRandom

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Freckle *****es is gone. The name was changed. Guess it was too offensive.

Rim jobs is gone. The name was changed.
Guess it was too offensive.

It's centered on zoomers who are robbing and killing to pay off their student college loans as a main story line. WTF.

Dubstep gun. Ugh... woke or not.

Entire cast was comprised of hipster millennials obsessed with social media.

Influencer Anita Sarkeesian was involved in an advisory capacity with the developer. Self explanatory.

You probably were reading Forbes on the same question.

Is Saints Row ‘Woke’? An Investigation
Are gamers still super triggered over Anita?
I tip my hat to her. Damn!
That’s honestly kind of impressive lol

The game was a buggy mess. I agree with Forbes on this one. Toxic people just want to cry like little babies.
I know, I used to run in these kind of “anti woke” circles a while back.
How embarrassing
 

Shadow Wolf

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Dubstep gun. Ugh... woke or not.
It's a music genre. How can that be woke?
Clearly the game just was not made with you in mind. The original ones sound funny, but with this one, according to some articles it seems they had a much younger demograph in mind. Which makes sense as video gaming is and has always been heavily and mostly for kids and teens anyways.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's a music genre. How can that be woke?
Clearly the game just was not made with you in mind. The original ones sound funny, but with this one, according to some articles it seems they had a much younger demograph in mind. Which makes sense as video gaming is and has always been heavily and mostly for kids and teens anyways.

Not all games are for kids. Obviously. Try playing SCUM, Postal, or ARMA.


The orginal SRs were made with gang rivalry and warfare in mind. At least 1 and 2 were. 3 was OK, but it was starting to separate from its gangland roots and started to get its ridiculous mechanics.

Then the dev team went on a quest to kill the game and the mechanics that made it great in the first place.

They finally succeeded in killing their franchise with the latest installment in spectacular fashion as sales figure shows the reality of how far gone they had become.

Real shame.
 

Twilight Hue

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Reading the woke part, I got the feeling it's basically a bunch of middle aged men who never grew up and still think video games are made with them in mind.
Those middle aged men were essentially teens when the franchise began.

People grow up along with their games and passions you know.

Like old men with Lionel Train layouts. It's an active hobby for all ages.
 
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