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Split a piece of wood and I am there, Lift a stone and you will find me

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Mark Cybulski, Apr 15, 2015.

  1. Mark Cybulski

    Mark Cybulski Member

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    The saying of Jesus that was found in Nag Hamadi in 1945.

    The Kingdom of God is inside you and all around you
    Not in a mansion of wood and stone
    Split a piece of wood and I am there
    Lift a stone and you will find me.

    I have come to the conclusion that this may mean the carving of a tree as in split or cleave the wood as the saying goes. Nearby to where I live there is an unusual symbol resembling a 'U' and a '4' which could be letters of an alphabet over where someone has scribed or carved there name into a tree. The symbol looks unusual as it does not look as if it has been carved by human. Maybe there is no meaning in this but I just want to make sure or if anyone has any idea that it could have meaning. I live in Scotland in the UK and where the tree is located in 2 miles south to where I live. I have pictures of the symbol like carving. If anyone has any idea that it has any meaning whatsoever, plz post a reply. Thank you.
     
  2. BSM1

    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    Hey, MC. I think you may have missed the point.
     
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  3. Mark Cybulski

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    Ok, have I? I was just wondering the carvings of a lot of peoples initials are on this tree and an unusual looking symbol is over one of the names which doesnt look as if as if its been carved by human resembling a 'U' and a '4' shape. Well if this has no religious significance thats fine, it was just something that boggled me for sometime. OK, Thank you.
     
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    jonathan180iq Well-Known Member

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    That passage is from the Gospel of Thomas, if I'm not mistaken, and it's not a literal passage about magic carvings in trees.

    Read the whole of verse 77:
    Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin Translation) -- The Nag Hammadi Library

    Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them all. It is I who am the all. From me did the all come forth, and unto me did the all extend. Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."
     
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  5. Mark Cybulski

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    Ok, thanks for your posts. Just wanted to clear that up.
     
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    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    I believe the passage implicates that God is everywhere and in everything. You might want to check out pantheism and panentheism to get a better take on the subject.
     
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    It's from the gospel of Thomas but it's not a quote from Jesus. The Thomas gospel is a late gnostic gospel made hundreds of years after Jesus. The only place you'll find The real Jesus is in the New Testament
     
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    For me it means that God is everywhere, or omnipresent.
     
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    Hahaha.

    I admire your devotion, but c'mon...

    The Canonical Gospels were written sooo much earlier, right? The Canonical Gospels are, like, totally more accurate and authentic because they have the backing of a council. Is that how it works? The fact of the matter is, the Canon was beginning to be accepted by church leaders at exactly the same time that the Gospel of Thomas was circulating. This is evidenced by the dating of the Gospel of Thomas compared to the oldest known evidence of a church leader trying to establish accepted Canon. Please note the books that you now accept as Canon that were omitted from this first canonical collection.

    Muratorian Fragment - Muratorian fragment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (170 CE) 2nd Century

    Gospel of Thomas - Gospel of Thomas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (130 CE) 2nd Century

    And even after that, none of the Canon was actually made official until the 4th and 5th centuries CE.
     
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    In order to understand any of the secret sayings by St.Thomas, you have to be chosen as one of God's saints or believers. Jesus, Peter, Paul, Timothy and all the rest of the saints after them were taught directly by our Creator who we are. He had them testify to His knowledge by writing and speaking words from the languages they learned from childhood until their true created existence was revealed to them called the Word of the Lord. .

    Once the saints are taught that everything visible and invisible came from the thoughts of our Creator, then all these secret sayings are understood. Our Creator uses analogies ( parables ) to teach His saints the invisible future and how He created everything.

    This particular parable is to show you what all the visible objects came from the mind ( thoughts ) of our Creator. They're only illusions that aren't real.
     
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    I think it means that Jesus is a fighter pilot in outer space, fending off the onslaught of the evil aliens. Because he's so busy, the only way to find him is to split wood and look under rocks for transponders that he's left behind that only a chosen few will find. Naturally, Foresters and Geologists have found most of the transponders, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't keep looking for one...
     
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    Most people don't realize we're living under the laws of the Roman Empire that were handed to the Vatican, who then changed the laws according to their rule. Those religious people will continue to try dominate this world until our Creator destroys it. Thank our Creator for keeping the old prophecies intact for us to know that the Vatican didn't understand the symbolism in them.

    Daniel 2

    44: And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people.It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever; 45: just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be hereafter. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure."
     
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    You speak with such admirable (if questionable) authority. Why not read this so that you'll be at least modestly more informed? :)
     
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    The people who wrote about the Gospel of Thomas have no idea how St.Thomas got this information. They can only guess.
     
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    Better an informed guess that a baseless and, therefore, worthless claim.
     
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    I don't have to guess anymore.
     
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    --> ignore-list
     
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    many books never reached what we call the bible, after the books were put together, after much arguing, the rest were burnt, but some were hidden, and the Nag Hamadi books were some of those that were hidden.
     
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    Fear causes one to hide.
     
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    All the saints had to testify to the knowledge of God by writing and speaking the words He put in their minds. This is how God teaches us who we are during this first age. None of these writings were used for the new testament but some of their quotes were stolen by religious Jews who mixed them with their Jewish traditions and Babylonian pagan teachings.
     
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