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Spiritual Vs Material

questfortruth

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
It is the main philosophical question. Основной вопрос философии — Википедия

There are two answers:

1. Spiritual was first, matter was after. This was Platon's idea. This is Creationism. Non-material is spiritual. For example, Love. Love causes feeling of love.

2. Matter was first, spiritual came after: "priests have created gods". This was Aristotle's idea.
Feeling of love causes Love. This means, that injecting some medical stuff into the blood or brain makes you love some person.

But I am suggesting that they are simultaneous. God is Dark Energy:
Einstein's proof of God

There was no moment that God Father has not the Son. The reason is: the time began at the beginning of Universe. And there was no moment that God was without Universe: the time began at the beginning of Universe. Therefore, God is inside the Universe.

The Black Holes are exit from Universe to Eternity with God. Holy Bible says that nobody can see God and remain alive.
 
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mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
questfortruth said:
It is the main philosophical question. Основной вопрос философии — Википедия

There are two answers:

1. Spiritual was first, matter was after. This was Platon's idea. This is Creationism.

2. Matter was first, spiritual came after: "priests have created gods". This was Aristotle's idea.

But I am suggesting that they are simultaneous. God is Dark Energy:
Einstein's proof of God

There was no moment that God Father has not the Son. The reason is: the time began at the beginning of Universe. And there was no moment that God was without Universe: the time began at the beginning of Universe. Therefore, God is inside the Universe.

The Black Holes are exit from Universe to Eternity with God. Holy Bible says that nobody can see God and remain alive.
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And there is a 4th answer. It is unknown.
 
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wellwisher

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A classical attribute of God is he is omnipresent. Omnipresence would be possible in a realm where space and time are not connected, as space-time. Space-time is a property of inertial references and matter. But if one could move in space without the constraint of time, one could be omnipresent.

In space-time, which rules the material universe, there are limits; speed of light; since space and time are attached and will act co-dependently. Speed is meters/sec which has space and time connected by division. But if time and space are not connected we no longer have any speed or speed limit, nor do we have energy, since photons have wavelength and frequency connected. Energy does not exist if wavelength is not yet attached to frequency.

God came first, from a realm where space and time are not connected. To make our material universe, God had to focus and intersect/connect space to time to form space-time, then energy, and the limits of the speed of light also appear. This is when our inertial clock started. Before time really means before space-time.

In a realm where space and time are not connected, anything is possible since there are no inertial limits imposed by space-time. This is a realm of infinite entropy; complexity. When space was attached to time to form space-time, limitation appear causing the local entropy to decreased. This will set a potential with the infinite entropy realm, that we call the second law.

Free energy, or useful energy that is connected to our universe and space-time, is partially defined by entropy times temperature. If the temperature was absolute zero, the entropy deficit would still exist, but there would be no free energy for the universe, since multiplication by zero would multiple to zero energy. All we would have would be an informational blue print; seed that needs to become more complex; singularity. But once temperature appears, even the tiniest amount above absolute zero, enormous free energy appears; let there be light and the seed sprouts.

The inertial universe; governed by space-time, then heads back to the realm of infinite entropy, driven by what we see as the second law; has to gain complexity all the way to infinite.

The term entropy was first coined during the development of steam engines. When they would do an energy balance there was always lost energy that could not be accounted for. This lost energy was called entropy. The second law states that the entropy of the universe has to increase. This means the universe is constantly losing energy like steam engines. Energy conservation says this is conserved, but it is lost to the space-time universe. Where is it going?

One way to explain this pool of lost but conserved energy, is connected to the quantum universe and things like the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. If it is not longer connected to space-time, per se, but partially connected to the realm where space and time are not connected; realm of infinite possibilities. The uncertainty suggests a transitional place between space-time and free space and free time.

Life and the brain generate a lot of entropy, with this lost energy conserved; blue print of us, somewhere between space-time and space without time; life after death.
 
Quintessence

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
It's only a question of you assume substance dualism. I do not. I reject the idea of this dichotomy in the first place and moreover find it a problematic idea as a Pagan. Why? Because embracing substance dualism has often translated into driving a wedge between the natural world and that which gets considered god. This divorce of the sacred from nature - setting God aside as some transcendent force separate from it - is anathema to Paganism.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
wellwisher said:
A classical attribute of God is he is omnipresent. Omnipresence would be possible in a realm where space and time are not connected, as space-time. Space-time is a property of inertial references and matter. But if one could move in space without the constraint of time, one could be omnipresent.

In space-time, which rules the material universe, there are limits; speed of light; since space and time are attached and will act co-dependently. Speed is meters/sec which has space and time connected by division. But if time and space are not connected we no longer have any speed or speed limit, nor do we have energy, since photons have wavelength and frequency connected. Energy does not exist if wavelength is not yet attached to frequency.

God came first, from a realm where space and time are not connected. To make our material universe, God had to focus and intersect/connect space to time to form space-time, then energy, and the limits of the speed of light also appear. This is when our inertial clock started. Before time really means before space-time.

In a realm where space and time are not connected, anything is possible since there are no inertial limits imposed by space-time. This is a realm of infinite entropy; complexity. When space was attached to time to form space-time, limitation appear causing the local entropy to decreased. This will set a potential with the infinite entropy realm, that we call the second law.

Free energy, or useful energy that is connected to our universe and space-time, is partially defined by entropy times temperature. If the temperature was absolute zero, the entropy deficit would still exist, but there would be no free energy for the universe, since multiplication by zero would multiple to zero energy. All we would have would be an informational blue print; seed that needs to become more complex; singularity. But once temperature appears, even the tiniest amount above absolute zero, enormous free energy appears; let there be light and the seed sprouts.

The inertial universe; governed by space-time, then heads back to the realm of infinite entropy, driven by what we see as the second law; has to gain complexity all the way to infinite.

The term entropy was first coined during the development of steam engines. When they would do an energy balance there was always lost energy that could not be accounted for. This lost energy was called entropy. The second law states that the entropy of the universe has to increase. This means the universe is constantly losing energy like steam engines. Energy conservation says this is conserved, but it is lost to the space-time universe. Where is it going?

One way to explain this pool of lost but conserved energy, is connected to the quantum universe and things like the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. If it is not longer connected to space-time, per se, but partially connected to the realm where space and time are not connected; realm of infinite possibilities. The uncertainty suggests a transitional place between space-time and free space and free time.

Life and the brain generate a lot of entropy, with this lost energy conserved; blue print of us, somewhere between space-time and space without time; life after death.
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You are just making things up
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
questfortruth said:
It is disability. Hence, it does not contain usable information. You cannot make a spaceship from sentence "I do not know how to make spaceship."
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Yeah, to me just as human mobility is limited, human knowledge is limited. But that is me and my understanding of you doing a combination of science, philosophy and religion.
 
George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
In Advaita Vedanta philosophy Consciousness/Brahman/God is the ground of the universe. The universe is then a thought-form/play/drama of Brahman.
 
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