Soleimani was on a peace mission with Saudi Arabia

[sooda]

Shouldn't this be in the 'joke' section?

Ending the war in Yemen is not a joke and has been hinted at in the Arab press for weeks.

 

[Laika]

The speaker is impartial and wrong.

You're welcome to fill in the gaps and point out where they are wrong if you want. But I guess it's long and complicated, so if not I understand.

 

[sooda]

You're welcome to fill in the gaps and point out where they are wrong if you want. But I guess it's long and complicated, so if not I understand.

Until 1979 Saudi Arabia had good relations with Iran .. flew in and out of their airspace for decades.. When Iran bombed the Khobar Towers they screwed up big time..

The conflict is very one sided.. Saudi Arabia doesn't want or need anything from Iran.. nor does it want to convert or control Iran.

KSA wants peace in the region and for HAMAS and Hezbollah to stop stirring sh*t.

 

[BSM1]

Ending the war in Yemen is not a joke and has been hinted at in the Arab press for weeks.

Deflect much?

 

[sooda]

Deflect much?

Esper is looking after Raytheon and so is Trump.

1. O'Brien, Connor (July 19, 2017). "Trump taps Raytheon VP as Army secretary". Politico.
2. ↑ McIntyre, Jamie (July 19, 2017). "Exclusive: Trump to nominate Mark Esper as Army secretary". Washington Examiner.
3. ↑ Gibbons-Neff, Thomas; Jaffe, Greg (July 19, 2017). "Trump to nominate Raytheon lobbyist for next Army secretary". Washington Post.
4. ↑ realDonaldTrump (June 18, 2019). "....I thank Pat for his outstanding service and will be naming Secretary of the Army, Mark Esper, to be the new Acting Secretary of Defense. I know Mark, and have no doubt he will do a fantastic job!" (Tweet).
5. ↑ Cooper, Helene (June 21, 2019). "Trump Nominates Mark Esper as Next Defense Secretary". The New York Times. Retrieved June 22, 2019.
6. ↑ "U.S. Senate: U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 116th Congress - 1st Session". www.senate.gov.

 

[Laika]

Until 1979 Saudi Arabia had good relations with Iran .. flew in and out of their airspace for decades.. When Iran bombed the Khobar Towers they screwed up big time..

The conflict is very one sided.. Saudi Arabia doesn't want or need anything from Iran.. nor does it want to convert or control Iran.

KSA wants peace in the region and for HAMAS and Hezbollah to stop stirring sh*t.

That makes sense if the Saudis basically want to stay in control and keep the status quo, whilst Iran wants to stir things up to continue it revolution around the region.

 

[Lyndon]

So basically Trump lied a great big whopper, he didn't assassinate Soleimani to prevent bloodshed but rather to prevent Peace, since Trump really wants a war.

 

[sooda]

That makes sense if the Saudis basically want to stay in control and keep the status quo, whilst Iran wants to stir things up to continue it revolution around the region.

Iran should be peaceful and prosperous.. They straddle the oil corridor.. I don't know what the hell is wrong with them or why they can't leave little Lebanon alone.

 

[sooda]

So basically Trump lied a great big whopper, he didn't assassinate Soleimani to prevent bloodshed but rather to prevent Peace, since Trump really wants a war.

Mark Esper came from Raytheon when no one else wanted the job.

 

[Salvador]

Liars lie. Trump lies all the time. I don't believe anything coming from liars including in this case. And to use his language, why should I believe a traitor and those whose jobs depend on a traitor anyway.

Americans will die because of Trumps war with Iran and presumably soon their ally Iraq and no doubt Syria as well as armed and bolstered by Russia and China.

Would you perhaps believe any of the following sources: Bahrain, Canada or the U.S. government under Obama who've designated Qud Force, which indisputably was led by its dearly departed leader Qassem Soleimani, as a terrorist organization?

 

[Lyndon]

i wouldn't believe you or the US government!!

 

[Laika]

So basically Trump lied a great big whopper, he didn't assassinate Soleimani to prevent bloodshed but rather to prevent Peace, since Trump really wants a war.

I've heard on reddit that there were some sources from the Pentagon saying that the military give Trump a range of options to make a decision. This includes an extreme one to make the others look more reasonable. Trump picked the "wrong" option and gave the order to assassinate Soleimani. I can't find the original source though and you probably couldn't confirm it anyway.

So it's more likely that Trump was spectacularly incompetent at exactly the wrong moment. Or as the Simpson's put it:

 

[Salvador]

Iran should be peaceful and prosperous.. They straddle the oil corridor.. I don't know what the hell is wrong with them or why they can't leave little Lebanon alone.

There's good news now for America! Ever since 2018 with Donald J. Trump as our P.O.T.U.S. , the U.S.A. has become energy independent; this meaning our nation no longer needs to concern itself with imports of oil from the Middle East. Hip Hip Hooray! There's no reason anymore for anybody's blood to be spilled in order for America to meet its demand for oil. ...

The U.S. Gulf Coast became a net exporter of crude oil in late 2018 - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

 

[Nakosis]

You're welcome to fill in the gaps and point out where they are wrong if you want. But I guess it's long and complicated, so if not I understand.

I question if anyone other than the president really understands. What's really the need for the US to be in the ME. I suspect we are still afraid of Russia.

 

[Nakosis]

Some in Washington have traditionally argued that because the United States has entered the region eschewing colonial ambitions, championing the rule of law and the authority of the United Nations, and seeking economic growth and political stability, America stands out as a singular and responsible overseer. Most of those in the Middle East and most independent Western observers, however, see the United States’ role as far less benign, citing U.S. support for repressive and corrupt monarchies, the exploitative practices by American oil companies and other multinational corporations, the promotion of a secular and materialistic lifestyle, the highly prejudicial use of the UN Security Council, the arming and bankrolling of a militaristic and expansionist Israel, destabilization efforts against internationally recognized governments, and periodic military interventions.
Continuing Storm: The U.S. Role in the Middle East - Institute for Policy Studies

Why are we there? Not sure I know the answer for that.