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Snowflakes....designed or accidents of nature?

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by JayJayDee, Mar 11, 2015.

  1. JayJayDee

    JayJayDee Avid JW Bible Student

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    Amazing macro-photography of individual snowflakes [10 Pictures]

    Please take a look at these amazing photographs. Do you see design in these beautifully crafted snowflakes?

    No two are alike and there is no way to appreciate them with the naked eye. There is only this very special kind of photography that allows us to see what amazing things the Creator has made, just because he can.

    Blows me away. :)
     
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    Yes evolution and nature has certainly given us much beauty.
     
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    I would hope said hypothetical creator has better things to do than design billions and billions of individual snowflakes while thousands of children starve to death every day.
     
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    The snowflakes are impressive, but I just don't think they go very far as evidence of a Creator.
     
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    Indeed. For all the evil Melkor wrought, trying to eternally still the waters of Ulmo, Eru made it so his works would produce things lovely & admirable.

    "And Ilúvatar spoke to Ulmo, and said: 'Seest thou not how here in this little realm in the Deeps of Time Melkor hath made war upon thy province? He hath bethought him of bitter cold immoderate, and yet hath not destroyed the beauty of thy fountains, nor of my clear pools. Behold the snow, and the cunning work of frost! Melkor hath devised heats and fire without restraint, and hath not dried up thy desire nor utterly quelled the music of the sea. Behold rather the height and glory of the clouds, and the everchanging mists; and listen to the fall of rain upon the Earth! And in these clouds thou art drawn nearer to Manwë, thy friend, whom thou lovest.'"

    Ainulindale, Silmarilion
     
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    Sunstone De Diablo Del Fora
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    Designed or accidental? Seems like a false dilemma to me. How about neither? Snowflakes seem to form in ways that are explicable according to physics and chemistry.
     
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  7. Ouroboros

    Ouroboros Coincidentia oppositorum
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    They're very beautiful. Indeed great pictures.

    Yes, Nature is a wonderful Creator. Snowflakes follow the crystallization of water, which is based on its molecule structure and the energy (temperature/thermal motion) at the point of that crystallization.

    It's almost as impressive as a Mandelbrot. That blows me away even more than water crystals.

    See this:

    A Mandelbrot Set is basically an infinite pattern. The formula is extremely simple. (And it was discovered by accident too.)

    Fractals are cool! (I really like what happens to the pattern at 2:59, don't you think? I'm so impressed by the universe and how mathematically beautiful it is.)

    If you think about it. Every snowflake is designed by Nature.
     
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  8. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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  9. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    It makes me think of that Japanese guy that shows beautiful pictures of water crystals. He goes so far as to show how positive and negative emotional vibrations greatly effect the beauty of the formations. I think we live in a universe more complex than we can grasp.
     
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    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    Masaru Emoto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    He passed away recently, unfortunately. He was great.
     
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    Thanks, Saint.

    On a side note that you may not be aware of; it is time to boycott Wikipedia on things that smack of the paranormal. Not me, but professionals in the field have told us how the Skeptic community has gained control of the editing process and there is almost nothing good to say about any person suggesting anything paranormal. If you look at someone like famous skeptic James Randi I can assure you that you will find nothing critical. I can vouch for these claims of professional parapsychologists.
     
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  12. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    I believe it. It's annoying. I looked at that page and all I can do is roll my eyes.
     
  13. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    You're right. There is no section for criticism on Randi's page. Hmm.
     
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    As I said this is a known issue but receives no attention. The spiritual/paranormal followers do not have the 'kick 'em in the balls' attitude like the skeptics.
     
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  15. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    Their edits would likely be reverted, anyway.
     
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    So much for Wikipedia.....bye, bye.....but few know...
     
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    Something about this OP makes me think of the movie Ted

     
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    Randi, unlike the paranormal claimants does put his money where his mouth is though - he has offered a million dollar prize for proof of any paranormal ability. It has never been claimed.
     
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    Thank you for those....I agree, God is not designing each and every snowflake but has put in place the mechanisms that create them. There is a sacred patterning based on mathematics. Much the same as the miracle of life. God does not create every offspring but has put in place the physical mechanisms to ensure the perpetuation of life in all living things.

    I am fascinated with Fibonacci numbers in nature. To me that makes the Creator a great mathematician.
     
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    There is a reason for all that the Creator does. Most judge him without hearing all the evidence.

    He is more concerned about children starving than we are. You forget he has the power over life and death.
    Unlike us, he can reverse death as easily as waking someone from sleep. (John 11:11-14)
     
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