Should Sharia Law be forbidden in Non-Muslim (Western) countries?

[Limo]

I disagree in the most emphatic terms.

Islam and by extension Sharia are a major contributor to the permanent turmoil in the Islamic world.

It teaches to always perceive the world by the lens of a clear distinction between Muslims and Kuffar.

It insists on surrendering one's judgement to the presumed promise from God.

It has way too nationalistic and militaristic a perspective for anyone's good.

It teaches mistrust and paranoia by way of its weird, poisonous cult of monotheism for monotheism's sake, regardless of people's actual beliefs and vocations.

It is supremacist and xenophobous in its tribalistic ethics.

And last but not least, it occupies the place where a religion might exist.

Without getting in details and not all what you've said is valid but let me tell you something,
You're looking to Sharia with your standards using your glasses, it means nothing for us
When we look to your communities with our glasses we see,,,,, I'll not tell you... It doesn't marker for you. Right?

Let it be like this the 2 world's are different and will never meet in a point

 

[Limo]

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Then tell me which Muslim majority country you think is a good demonstration of a peaceful Islam in which its people are flourishing?

This is our problem
We didn't bring back an Islamic model to life.

By the way there nothing called peaceful Islam.
Islam is a complete constitution it's for peace and wars, for just and punishment , for goverment and family and person, for economy,, it's a complete way of life

 

[Limo]

Do

Why don't you tell everyone how you feel about their communities?

Does it matter?
Will you take into consideration?
Will you accept our values as measure?

 

[Desert Snake]

Do

Does it matter?
Will you take into consideration?
Will you accept our values as measure?

That depends on what you mean by ''values''. '
I also don't know who 'our' means, in your question. Presumably opinions might differ between muslims, unless you are implying that those ''opinions', are dictated .

 

[Limo]

The "problem" is that you believe that any Muslims that disagree with your opinions are not true Muslims.

This is an interfaith problem
X-muslim atheists are cowards they're not brave to publish their belief.

When someone pertains Judaism and say Torah and Talmud are the source and driver for all killing done by Jews especially in Palestine?
Will you consider him a jewel?
At you'll tell if you're not happy go and select another peacefully relegion. Right?

 

[LuisDantas]

Without getting in details and not all what you've said is valid but let me tell you something,
You're looking to Sharia with your standards using your glasses, it means nothing for us
When we look to your communities with our glasses we see,,,,, I'll not tell you... It doesn't marker for you. Right?

Let it be like this the 2 world's are different and will never meet in a point

You realize that there is no such thing as a separate world where Muslims live without interacting with us kuffar, right?

Perhaps it would be better if there were. But there is not. So what is the point of this exercise you propose?

 

[LuisDantas]

This is an interfaith problem
X-muslim atheists are cowards

That is certainly an inappropriate word to use in this situation.

they're not brave to publish their belief.

Considering that the Qur'an instructs Muslims to kill them, that is hardly a surprise, don't you think?

When someone pertains Judaism and say Torah and Talmud are the source and driver for all killing done by Jews especially in Palestine?
Will you consider him a jewel?
At you'll tell if you're not happy go and select another peacefully relegion. Right?

May I suggest that you reflect on what it might mean that Islam alone has to deal with that serious problem?

 

[Limo]

That depends on what you mean by ''values''. '
I also don't know who 'our' means, in your question. Presumably opinions might differ between muslims, unless you are implying that those ''opinions', are dictated .

We muslims
My values are Islamic values from Quran and hadeeth

 

[Limo]

You realize that there is no such thing as a separate world where Muslims live without interacting with us kuffar, right?

Perhaps it would be better if there were. But there is not. So what is the point of this exercise you propose?

There were always millions of Kuffar all the time under the Islamic Caliphate and as neighbors.

The point is our standards are not compliant with you. You live your life with whatever values you like and we should do the same.
Pull your hands out of our lands.
Respect other non western culture not only Islamic but other cultures
You see and consider no other values or cultures
You are imposing yours and pushing it all over the world not only in Islamic lands
We don't need it, we've ours

 

[Notanumber]

If you mean modern standards according to Western rules, I tell you keep it for West only. It's not our standards

If this is the case, then why are droves of Islamists trying to move to and live in western countries?

 

[Limo]

That is certainly an inappropriate word to use in this situation.

Considering that the Qur'an instructs Muslims to kill them, that is hardly a surprise, don't you think?


May I suggest that you reflect on what it might mean that Islam alone has to deal with that serious problem?

It's the suitable word. If someone changed his belief and belief no more in something but keep pertaining that he still a believer. What do you call him ?
Yes Sharia law is like Bible Law is to kill the converted people out of religion

But Sharia is not applied especially in Lebanon. vice versa conversion is allowed in Lebanon and many countries


Islam Alone ????
Extremists Rabbis in Palestine have released many religious permissions to kill Arabs enough to be noticed if you've a balanced view to see it. but you see only one side by one eye.

Islam Alone ????
If you see the Christians priests blessing of missiles and rockets in Russian and western armies especially US and religious hate statements written on these things you'll be sick. but you see one side by one eye

 

[Limo]

If this is the case, then why are droves of Islamists trying to move to and live in western countries?

Moving to west doesn't imply that one accepts all values and standards
Not all your values are bad or against the sharia Law and not all are compliant.

The issue is when you try to whip all what Islamic belief and enforce Muslim to be like others in his personal behavior. Finish Islam like someone said
Muslim enjoys the freedom in thoughts and thinking that are not in home lands but you're banning it from Muslims now in west

 

[LuisDantas]

There were always millions of Kuffar all the time under the Islamic Caliphate and as neighbors.

My point exactly. You don't get to decide that we do not exist. We have the right to refuse your supremacist oppression. The right, and ultimately the need and the moral duty as well.

The point is our standards are not compliant with you. You live your life with whatever values you like and we should do the same.

Unfortunately, that just can't work.

Pull your hands out of our lands.

"Our" lands? Land is not owned by anyone, and the issue that worries us is miggration from, not to, Muslim communities anyway.

Respect other non western culture not only Islamic but other cultures
You see and consider no other values or cultures
You are imposing yours and pushing it all over the world not only in Islamic lands
We don't need it, we've ours

Some chutzpah. Islam lacks authority to criticize others for imposing culture and values. You know what "dhimmitude" means, right?

 

[LuisDantas]

It's the suitable word.

Perhaps in theocratic some fantasy world. Not at all in the real one.

If someone changed his belief and belief no more in something but keep pertaining that he still a believer. What do you call him ?
Yes Sharia law is like Bible Law is to kill the converted people out of religion

Christians have since learned better. Islam has the same need. but so far refused to.

Religious claims do not have the power to make immoral, oppressive slaughter any more moral.

But Sharia is not applied especially in Lebanon. vice versa conversion is allowed in Lebanon and many countries


Islam Alone ????

Yep.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Called "Modern standards" shouldn't be applied on previous time.

Yet it seems perfectly acceptable to apply ancient standards to the modern era in Muslim countries - hence why apostates so often face violence, why girls have their genitals mutilated and they are married off when they're still children.

Modern standards are superior because we base our thinking and morality off of what causes harm - not because of what some 7th Century barbarian wrote in a book.

 

[Limo]

My point exactly. You don't get to decide that we do not exist. We have the right to refuse your supremacist oppression. The right, and ultimately the need and the moral duty as well.


Unfortunately, that just can't work.

Keep trying .... don't stop
We never surrender or accept defeat

"Our" lands? Land is not owned by anyone, and the issue that worries us is miggration from, not to, Muslim communities anyway.

leave Islamic counties alone and within a few years you'll find no immigrants

Some chutzpah. Islam lacks authority to criticize others for imposing culture and values. You know what "dhimmitude" means, right?

If you know the real Islamic Dhimmi system ?

What shall I say ?

I wish you deal with Muslims like Muslims deal with non-Muslim as Dhimmi

 

[Limo]

Yet it seems perfectly acceptable to apply ancient standards to the modern era in Muslim countries - hence why apostates so often face violence, why girls have their genitals mutilated and they are married off when they're still children.

Modern standards are superior because we base our thinking and morality off of what causes harm - not because of what some 7th Century barbarian wrote in a book.

Islamic Law is live it's not ancient.
What if we like it ??? by voting and election ?

According to your values, it's democracy .... right ???

These are your "Modern Standards" we take what is suitable for us. Keep it running in Paris, New yourk and London and any other place wherever people welcome it.

Your "Modern Standards" are the barbarian one not Islamic Law.
Look to social diseases up there in your streets and you'll discover which standards are the barbarian ones

 

[Limo]

Perhaps in theocratic some fantasy world. Not at all in the real one.



Christians have since learned better. Islam has the same need. but so far refused to.

Religious claims do not have the power to make immoral, oppressive slaughter any more moral.


Yep.

mmmm the atheist free man can discuss anything anything but when it comes to Judaism or Israel and lately armies they swallow their tongue

Speak, speak my friend , don't afraid .... you're in a free country...

Speak louder, Your "Modern Standards" protect you as per the constitution, law, traditions, civil organizations, human rights ,,,,

You might speak but not telling the truth or speak illogically or speak against your "Modern Standards"

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

This is an interfaith problem
X-muslim atheists are cowards they're not brave to publish their belief.

Ex-Muslims are working through feelings in the full knowledge that they risk ostracism, isolation, deprivation and a host of other problems if others find out. They continue doing so because they can't bear to live a lie and they want to be able to be free to be who they are. That's the exact opposite of cowardice.

Muslims who advocate punishment - legal or otherwise - of apostates or believe it's the right thing to do are the true cowards because they can't handle dissenting opinions. You're one of the last people who should be accusing anyone of cowardice because of how utterly afraid Islam makes its followers of criticism or disagreement - otherwise the religion wouldn't have such an overtly hostile reaction to people leaving the faith.

Atheism isn't a belief, by the way, it's a lack of belief in gods. If you're going to criticise something you perceive as a problem the decent thing you could do is try to actually understand it first. And those who don't publish their opinions widely aren't being cowardly - they're being smart. It's posts like yours that reinforce the stereotype that Muslims have a contempt for this life. Not only their own but others' as well.

 

[Limo]

Ex-Muslims are working through feelings in the full knowledge that they risk ostracism, isolation, deprivation and a host of other problems if others find out. They continue doing so because they can't bear to live a lie and they want to be able to be free to be who they are. That's the exact opposite of cowardice.

Muslims who advocate punishment - legal or otherwise - of apostates or believe it's the right thing to do are the true cowards because they can't handle dissenting opinions. You're one of the last people who should be accusing anyone of cowardice because of how utterly afraid Islam makes its followers of criticism or disagreement - otherwise the religion wouldn't have such an overtly hostile reaction to people leaving the faith.

Atheism isn't a belief, by the way, it's a lack of belief in gods. If you're going to criticise something you perceive as a problem the decent thing you could do is try to actually understand it first. And those who don't publish their opinions widely aren't being cowardly - they're being smart. It's posts like yours that reinforce the stereotype that Muslims have a contempt for this life. Not only their own but others' as well.

I assure you other than Saudi Arabia no other country apply the Islamic Law against apostates or atheists
I understand that they've another type of social pressure
There are many people now expose their apostates or atheism
In Egypt for example these people are most welcomed by government and they control the media

In Lebanon, Algeria, Tunis, and Egypt they work in public they've their own committees and gatherings


There is a kind of atheist are working as Fifth column in Islam. They pertain Muslims and use this as a cover to adopt any bad talk on Islam

Criticizing Islam is normal. It's started from day 1 and will continue till last day.
We respond to allegations. There are hundreds and may be thousands of books that discusses all kinds of religions and philosophies appeared in the history.

Islamic law is clear, it's like Torah law.