Should people be allowed to abuse mice, turn them into drug addicts etc?

[Revoltingest]

Have you ever had to live with a mouse infestation? It changes your perspective. Mice are exceedingly dangerous because of their powerful immune systems, carrying many diseases deadly to us. Also, living without mice is killing mice. Many mice are killed to protect you and I. They die all the time, so that we don't die. Otherwise they would surround us, and we would be sickly. Even if you yourself aren't doing the killing, if you live where there are no mice its because they are being killed for you. Your empty home or workplace or automobile or clothes closet is usable and liveable space for you because mice are being killed.

Humans are the natural enemies of mice.

They're worse than dingoes!

 

[The Hammer]

It has gone up dramaticlly too. Not because of increased criminality but because it is an increasing part of the economy so more workers are required. It's not just China using a slave economy.

Yeah I've got my beef with the for-profit prison system. Not sure if that what you're referring to.

 

[JustGeorge]

“Our slaughterhouse”?
Y’all had a slaughterhouse?

Shoulda added local, but being tired does that to you.

Easy to do now.
Website listings to check.
There's loads of apps, including ones where you can scan the product in the shop to get the desired info.
Plus labelling - do you have the leaping bunny logo in the US? (Cruelty Free International).

I was thinking the more do-it-yourself kinda stuff. For years, my only cleaning supplies were kitchen ingredients.

I don't know if we have a bunny here. If we do, I haven't seen it. We have a non-GMO butterfly though.

 

[Spiderman]

They're worse than dingoes!

That doesn't mean you condemn them to lives of torture.

There are humane ways to protect humans.

 

[Secret Chief]

Yeah I've got my beef with the for-profit prison system. Not sure if that what you're referring to.

Yep.

 

[Revoltingest]

That doesn't mean you condemn them to lives of torture.

There are humane ways to protect humans.

Their torture makes our lives better.
It's an eat or be eaten world.

 

[Secret Chief]

I was thinking the more do-it-yourself kinda stuff. For years, my only cleaning supplies were kitchen ingredients.

I don't know if we have a bunny here. If we do, I haven't seen it. We have a non-GMO butterfly though.

Oh OK.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Of course the snake died. That’s what can happen when someone irresponsibly leaves a rodent inside a snake’s tank for three days. It did not “outsmart the snake”. The snake wasn’t hungry. They can go extended periods without eating.

So, I seriously doubt it was “ill mice”. It was simply an honest beginner’s mistake that many snake owners have made at some point early on. If the snake isn’t hungry, don’t leave the mouse or rat inside the tank with it. The snake can become seriously ill or even die. This happened to my first ball python, and many other naive people went through something similar as well. You live and you learn.

I never put mice inside my snake’s cage. (I have a corn snake, she’s almost 6 ft long, over 17 years old.) I always take her out to feed her. I’ve learned that if you feed one inside their cage, they’ll think every time you open their cage they’re getting fed, and they might strike at your hand thinking it’s food.

I put her in the bathtub, then feed her there.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Mice live a tragic tale as it is , always living their lives in fear, tortured by cats, hated as pests, always running away. They are actually very intelligent creatures.

Then they are hooked on meth at labs, given cancer causing chemicals, endlessly experimented on and injected with all kinds of crazy stuff, separated from their mothers, starved to death, their hands and feet shocked so that they are delivered food or drugs to see how many shocks they will endure for drugs, and countless other tortures forced upon them.

I'm not bothered by a mouse getting killed instantly by a mouse trap if it's in a house. The cruel fate of mice does bother me.

View attachment 55486 The life of a mouse is one of chronic fear and panic, rejection, and hatred as a pest.

It's a tragic tale indeed! They can be quite brilliant and affectionate when loved at a young age and provided for. I used to keep them as pets!

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Those eyes, the endless twitching and frequent scratching. Mice are already meth addicts!

 

[JustGeorge]

I never put mice inside my snake’s cage. (I have a corn snake, she’s almost 6 ft long, over 17 years old.) I always take her out to feed her. I’ve learned that if you feed one inside their cage, they’ll think every time you open their cage they’re getting fed, and they might strike at your hand thinking it’s food.

I put her in the bathtub, then feed her there.

My husband does this now. Well, he feeds them in a large bucket.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

If people want to benefit from science through experimentation, they should be the "Guinea pigs" instead of forcing it upon other living things.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Suppose I eat bacon over a long time span and then get colon cancer as a result. If a drug has been developed to cure my cancer that was tested on pigs then that's just karma coming back to bite its oinky ***.

Well I mean, if the individual eats the animal, I tend to think the individual owes the right respect to the animal. If I eat bacon everyday and get sick, I'd hope that I wouldn't blame the pigs as much as myself. Then again I'm human, so I might end up doing that, but really the choice was probably mine to eat pigs

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Have you ever had to live with a mouse infestation? It changes your perspective. Mice are exceedingly dangerous because of their powerful immune systems, carrying many diseases deadly to us. Also, living without mice is killing mice. Many mice are killed to protect you and I. They die all the time, so that we don't die. Otherwise they would surround us, and we would be sickly. Even if you yourself aren't doing the killing, if you live where there are no mice its because they are being killed for you. Your empty home or workplace or automobile or clothes closet is usable and liveable space for you because mice are being killed.

Humans are the natural enemies of mice.

We really should just start capturing them to eat them. I mean, all that wasted meat, right?

Far different then using them for experiments.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Have you ever had to live with a mouse infestation? It changes your perspective. Mice are exceedingly dangerous because of their powerful immune systems, carrying many diseases deadly to us. Also, living without mice is killing mice. Many mice are killed to protect you and I. They die all the time, so that we don't die. Otherwise they would surround us, and we would be sickly. Even if you yourself aren't doing the killing, if you live where there are no mice its because they are being killed for you. Your empty home or workplace or automobile or clothes closet is usable and liveable space for you because mice are being killed.

Humans are the natural enemies of mice.

Well I think we are in control of how we live, and the lifestyles we choose might overlap in order to make different situations happen. Whatever it was that brought on the black plague, and it was probably some technology change, it happened because of an oversight, and not because the mouse armies were at the gates. It was an oversight that made an unconscious animal process collide with our civilizational project.

On the flip side of that, I think western society probably wants to select for a degree of herd immunity for the problems technology creates, as it barrels forward. Colonizing Europeans for example, became an obvious disease vector. Historically, the immune shield that they had from disease, aided their colonial project. This was made possible by the experience of things like the black plague, and on a separate but related front, a non-toleration by the populations they expanded into, of toxic food and alcohol for example

In addition to that point, one might consider that ostensibly, some contemporary studies on mice are redundant: why would they continue to study the effects of lead exposure? We know what that does to a body and mind. However, the point is that they apparently don't foresee exposure to lead as ending, but the only reason I can think of is that they want biology to overcome it. So what are they doing then, are they trying to breed out a toxic reaction, or come up with new drugs to eliminate it?

Also interesting is the situation with the bat. I don't think we have run into so many problems with the bat historically, or at least in modern history (for all I know, man has died of filo-viruses for the last hundred thousand years, if it is true that early man liked living in caves). However, they are closely related to rodents aren't they, and they like clustering together a lot. I had read 'The Hot Zone.'

So it is interesting, this thing between covid and the bat, if that is real. I would have thought it would have been an ebola type virus that was the primary concern, and I actually avoided big cities a little bit in the early 2010's because of outbreaks of that. But, I think the point is that only our level of globalization could finally bridge a bat virus with man.

And I think that maybe, even if it came from a lab, it would have come from the actual biological landscape eventually, if it did not

 

[amorphous_constellation]

We really should just start capturing them to eat them. I mean, all that wasted meat, right?

Well romans ate the dormouse didn't they, I don't know if that can extend to other kinds

 

[We Never Know]

They're worse than dingoes!

Austrialia is also over ran with cats. They must not like to eat mice.

Feral Cats Are Running Wild in Australia, and the Government Is Trying to Get Rid of Them | Inside Edition

 

[Subduction Zone]

We really should just start capturing them to eat them. I mean, all that wasted meat, right?

Far different then using them for experiments.

Mouse McNuggets?