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Should everyone forgive Hitler?

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Am I really going to have to start bringing out speeches, letters and decrees that Hitler signed or gave during the 30s and into 40s? Because I can. I am not terribly knowledgeable about many things. NSDAP Germany is, however, one of those things.

Because you are utterly flooring me that you can say this and know anything at all about the topic.

I have admitedly no expert, but are you truly saying that I have to read a lot of material to have a representative sample of Hitler's thought?
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
I have admitedly no expert, but are you truly saying that I have to read a lot of material to have a representative sample of Hitler's thought?
When you are trying to compare him to a run of the mill authoritarian ****, yes. The similarities begin and end with both of them wanting some manner of police-state. That's it. Period. End of sentence.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
When you are trying to compare him to a run of the mill authoritarian ****, yes. The similarities begin and end with both of them wanting some manner of police-state. That's it. Period. End of sentence.

Dick Cheney is not a run of the mill authoritarian.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No, but it sure makes sense to consider stopping using him as a scapegoat.
"Scapegoat", from dictionary.com.....
[skeyp-goht]
noun
1. a person or group made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place.

Do you mean to say that Hitler is unjustly bearing the blame for others?
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Dick Cheney is not a run of the mill authoritarian.
Show me where he endorsed the complete 'annihilation'(vernichten) of Jews, Socialists, Leftists, the mentally & physically ill, Homosexuals, Slavs and Gypsies/Roma or anyone. Show me where he entertained the idea of a eugenics program based around the kidnapping of newly-made orphans(lebensborn) so that he could colonize a newly conquered 'living space'(lebensraum).
 

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Hem..no...the rules don't change. It's just that you enter your soul and you can never return.
If people have a soul filled with love, what are they afraid of?
What happens after death that removes freewill?
Is it your claim that entering the soul (whatever that means) removes ones free will?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
What happens after death that removes freewill?
Is it your claim that entering the soul (whatever that means) removes ones free will?

Of course, in the afterlife there is neither time nor space. There is not chance of action. So I have to say that there is no free will in the afterlife
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Of course, in the afterlife there is neither time nor space. There is not chance of action. So I have to say that there is no free will in the afterlife
..

That sounds horrifying. None in Heaven nor in Hell?
 

DayRaven

Beyond the wall
Do you think that everyone should 'forgive' Hitler?

Nothing for me to forgive: I wasn't there and wasn't born until another thirty six years after he took his own life.

Then again most of my countrymen still seem to think the war is on and think all Germans are Nazis.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Am I really going to have to start bringing out speeches, letters and decrees that Hitler signed or gave during the 30s and into 40s? Because I can. I am not terribly knowledgeable about many things. NSDAP Germany is, however, one of those things.

Because you are utterly flooring me that you can say this and know anything at all about the topic.
It is pretty staggering that someone can hate Cheney so much that they would compare him to Hitler.
 

FunctionalAtheist

Hammer of Reason
I didn't mean to quote you in that post. But Dick Cheney is a saint compared to Hitler.
Seriously? I doubt that. I would say the only difference is that Hitler had unlimited power and Cheny's power was limited by term and his failure to completely control the minds of his country men. Hitler's atrocities were permitted while Cheny's were limited.

It is the actions that define our view of a person, but it is not the actions that define that person would have done if they had the chance.
 
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