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Should Cocaine and Heroin be legalized along with Marijuana?

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
That would be too hard to enforce. And the politics into getting alcohol and cigs classified as drugs would be a battle in itself.

In i think California had a pretty good idea on how to handle weed with prop 19 What is Proposition 19?.

We are currently doing it now with cigs. You can't smoke near a school, must be 10 feet away from the entrance to a building, No smoking in bars or restaurants or offices. The only public space you can still smoke in NJ is the Casino's.

Its simple to enforce Drug public place arrested. Group party no purchase reciepts for everyone owner arrested.

Drugs effect everyone the user is around dangerously. No person should have to be effected dangerously because you want a high. Get your high in your home and visit with us when your not dangerous.

I have personally used Alcohol, Tobacco and Marijuana All of them have effected my judgement and been dangerous to myself and others. I got lucky causing no major damage and not being hooked on them.
 
Like I said I think California has a good way to control it.

As far as cigs yes we are limiting the places you can smoke, but it is not classified as a drug, and probably won't ever be. And alcohol will defiantly never be considered a drug.

I have used all 3 too and as I think doing it at home is better I have never had a problem being dangerous to myself or others. But I know a lot of people who drive better high then sober.

How marijuana affects your driving performance
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Like I said I think California has a good way to control it.

As far as cigs yes we are limiting the places you can smoke, but it is not classified as a drug, and probably won't ever be. And alcohol will defiantly never be considered a drug.

I have used all 3 too and as I think doing it at home is better I have never had a problem being dangerous to myself or others. But I know a lot of people who drive better high then sober.

How marijuana affects your driving performance

If you had someone near you while you were using any of the three you were more dangerous to them then if you did not use them even without driving.

Driving is an absolute no/no.
 
No. As a society we cannot handle alcohol and tobacco properly, let alone hard drugs. Hard drugs along with alcohol were the reason for the temperance movement in the first place.
 
I don't think they should be legalized but the system needs a reform. There is some obvious institutionalized racism/classism within American drug laws. You can go to jail for 5 years for 5 grams of crack, while you get the same amount for 500 grams of powder cocaine even though powder cocaine is much more dangerous.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
Problem with not 'handling' (or controlling them in legal way) is that it drives up demand. This is arguable, but I think those who favor legalization (like me) see it as clearly driving demand. And it is not just supposition on my part when one goes ahead and tries one of these drugs, after being exposed to 'scared straight' tactics, and realizes - essentially they lied about this. I'm not going to die or be in vegetable state for rest of my life, from one use. Perhaps others have gone that route, yet not only me, but 98% of my peers seem to handle this as well, if not better, than alcohol. So, the logic than becomes:
a) If they lied to me about this drug, then perhaps the other drugs that are around are also being met with lies. My buddy Mike swears that hard drug (that shall remain nameless) is the bomb diggity. Up til this point in my young life, I've refrained from doing that, based on gut instinct and scared tactics 'they' used to tell me 'truth' about it. But since they lied about this this drug I've tried, perhaps they are lying about all others.
b) (later) Okay, I've tried 3 or 4 and now realize my drug(s) of choice. Again, they say once is all it takes, but heck I've done it 50 times and most of my peers, many of whom have good paying jobs, seem to be doing fine while partaking. So, perhaps I'll just up my dosage and buy more, save money and go from there. The more the merrier, and I'm sure I can stop at any point. Again, I've done it 50 times already and feel no compulsion to do it all the time like they said people would from just trying it once. They lied, and only thing that sucks about this situation is that dealer who has greatest stuff around is kind of a gun nut who's probably going to insist on showing me his knife collection one more time. But hey it's price you pay when going on the black market to get this stuff. Oh well.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
They lied, and only thing that sucks about this situation is that dealer who has greatest stuff around is kind of a gun nut who's probably going to insist on showing me his knife collection one more time. But hey it's price you pay when going on the black market to get this stuff. Oh well.
I really don't like most of the drug dealers I've met. I suppose it's a career that attracts a certain kind of personality.
 

Diell Louis

New Member
If one uses health risks as a reason for making use and possession of hard drugs illegal, why not make the use, possesssion and sale of alcohol and cigarettes illegal? Shouldn't people be allowed to ruin their own health if they want to? If not, let's also ban most pies, pastries, ice cream, alcohol and cigaterettes.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
If one uses health risks as a reason for making use and possession of hard drugs illegal, why not make the use, possesssion and sale of alcohol and cigarettes illegal? Shouldn't people be allowed to ruin their own health if they want to? If not, let's also ban most pies, pastries, ice cream, alcohol and cigaterettes.


I've never seen a pie, pastry or ice cream hurt an individual not eating them. Alcohol cigarettes and drug cause harm to others.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friends,

The root of the problem is the MIND that gets ATTACHED to anything and the mind's attachment to drugs are very easy whose reasons everyone knows/understands.

It is for this reason that religions or paths in the east has given importance to understanding the mind as they know that political minds too are minds and tilt towards attachments which is power and wealth for most in politics.

Love & rgds
 

kai

ragamuffin
Cars harm people not driving them. Should we ban cars for this reason?

No Certainly no,t but we deal with the danger by taking lessons passing driving tests, have road crossings that are designed to minimize the danger , have to have insurance ,etc,etc
 

kai

ragamuffin
If one uses health risks as a reason for making use and possession of hard drugs illegal, why not make the use, possesssion and sale of alcohol and cigarettes illegal? Shouldn't people be allowed to ruin their own health if they want to? If not, let's also ban most pies, pastries, ice cream, alcohol and cigaterettes.

People can abuse their health all they want but who picks up the bills for health problems? in the UK its the tax payer.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
((Lines up to throw pie in bobhikes face.))

Don't worry, this won't hurt.


It didn't also that dunking in gatorade I got was pleasant. One does not have to throw a cigarette in ones face to cause them harm. If one drinks or does drugs one may throw something a lot more dangerous than a pie.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Cars harm people not driving them. Should we ban cars for this reason?

A car is not used as a personal high. A car is a necessity to get around. You can ban all cars but our society will stop working as it does. You can ban cig, alcohol and drugs and society will chug along, crime will probably rise which is why I suggest allowing use only personal in there private home.
 
Going back to the originally question I do not believe cocaine and heroine should be legalized with weed as far as recreational use, but only for medical reasons and watched very closely. I do believe weed should be legalized for recreational use though :)
 
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