Sex Work Is Legitimate, But Needs Regulation

[Mock Turtle]

Which is kind of funny considering they invite abuse. It's like a bank robber calling cops when someone attacks him while he's robbing a bank.

Not from what I have experienced - sex they invite but I doubt any invite abuse - and I gave them all the respect they deserve, and where they all tended to dictate what happens. I'm sure many don't experience such from others but neither do they expect or invite abuse.

 

[Shakeel]

Again, don't equate being gay with being a hooker or porn star.

I never did. They didn't talk only about gays and the topic is about prostitution as well as other similar jobs with less obvious names, but which ultimately refer to a woman selling herself for money and attention.

 

[Revoltingest]

Again, don't equate being gay with being a hooker or porn star.

And now bank robbers.

 

[Shakeel]

Not from what I have experienced - sex they invite but I doubt any invite abuse - and I gave them all the respect they deserve, and where they all tended to dictate what happens. I'm sure many don't experience such from others but neither do they expect or invite abuse.

By inviting I don't mean they do so knowingly, rather it is clear they are putting themselves into a situation with high risk of abuse. And that is their choice.

The respect you think women deserve is something others would not view as respectable enough a way to treat a slave.

 

[Mock Turtle]

By inviting I don't mean they do so knowingly, rather it is clear they are putting themselves into a situation with high risk of abuse. And that is their choice.

The respect you think women deserve is something others would not view as respectable enough a way to treat a slave.

Some might say the same about religions.

 

[Kooky]

Which is kind of funny considering they invite abuse. It's like a bank robber calling cops when someone attacks him while he's robbing a bank.

Do you actually find the ongoing abuse of sex workers a laughing matter?

 

[Kooky]

By inviting I don't mean they do so knowingly, rather it is clear they are putting themselves into a situation with high risk of abuse. And that is their choice.

That is a hoodlum's argument.

"Your honor, they were putting themselves at risk by walking into my neighbourhood, I had no choice but to beat them over the head and take their purse!"

It is not an abuse victim's fault that they were victimized.
It is the abuser's fault for victimizing another human being.

 

[Shakeel]

Do you actually find the ongoing abuse of sex workers a laughing matter?

No, I find people defending it as a job as honorable as any other, as funny - in a sad way - and people who deliberately get themselves in danger and then complain about being harmed, as foolish.

 

[Shakeel]

That is a hoodlum's argument.

"Your honor, they were putting themselves at risk by walking into my neighbourhood, I had no choice but to beat them over the head and take their purse!"

It is not an abuse victim's fault that they were victimized.
It is the abuser's fault for victimizing another human being.

If a person works as a postitute they are responsible for not keeping themselves safe.

 

[Meow Mix]

By inviting I don't mean they do so knowingly, rather it is clear they are putting themselves into a situation with high risk of abuse. And that is their choice.

The respect you think women deserve is something others would not view as respectable enough a way to treat a slave.

The argument for legalization is to alleviate the risk.

 

[Meow Mix]

No, I find people defending it as a job as honorable as any other, as funny - in a sad way - and people who deliberately get themselves in danger and then complain about being harmed, as foolish.

Attitudes like this are what lead to it being dangerous in the first place because people get dehumanized.

 

[Shakeel]

The argument for legalization is to alleviate the risk.

The risk is still high and you're still responsible. Of course, it's not a crime to make yourself a victim.

 

[Shakeel]

Attitudes like this are what lead to it being dangerous in the first place because people get dehumanized.

I disagree. The women dehumanize themselves and therefore are likely to get treated similarly. Who's treated better, a properly dressed honorable woman or an undressed dishonorable woman?

 

[Meow Mix]

I disagree. The women dehumanize themselves and therefore are likely to get treated similarly. Who's treated better, a properly dressed honorable woman or an undressed dishonorable woman?

Women in hijab get attacked and spit on in some places because they’re dehumanized. Would you say they “dehumanized themselves?”

Can’t you see the dehumanization is coming from outside themselves?

 

[Meow Mix]

I disagree. The women dehumanize themselves and therefore are likely to get treated similarly. Who's treated better, a properly dressed honorable woman or an undressed dishonorable woman?

And I would be attacked and spit on for how I dress in some parts of the world.

 

[Shakeel]

Women in hijab get attacked and spit on in some places because they’re dehumanized.

Being attacked and being dehumanized are not the same thing.

The thing is, prostitutes aren't respected anywhere. Muslims wearing real hijab are respected almost everywhere and even when they aren't it isn't because they're indecent - it's out of hatred. Most people don't hate prostitutes, but they do give them less respect.

Can’t you see the dehumanization is coming from outside themselves?

If someone doesn't first dehumanize themselves then it is. If they do, it isn't. We're talking mainly about the inviting of such behaviour - or any bad behaviour.

And I would be attacked and spit on for how I dress in some parts of the world.

I'm not sure you're arguing against my point of decent dress deterring bad behaviour?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Why would any female defend a practice that degraded and enslaved millions upon millions of women all through history and still continues to make woman nothing but objects? I don't get it.

 

[Meow Mix]

Being attacked and being dehumanized are not the same thing.

The thing is, prostitutes aren't respected anywhere. Muslims wearing real hijab are respected almost everywhere and even when they aren't it isn't because they're indecent - it's out of hatred. Most people don't hate prostitutes, but they do give them less respect.

This isn't true. In some cultures throughout history, prostitutes could reach very high social status and even hold political power. There were even religious forms of prostitution ("Sacred Prostitution"), and also consider for instance Greek-style oracles.

The point is that whether someone is dehumanized or not has more to do with the people around them. A class of person can be currently dehumanized by a culture and someone can argue that the culture should not do that (as I am doing here).

If someone doesn't first dehumanize themselves then it is. If they do, it isn't. We're talking mainly about the inviting of such behaviour - or any bad behaviour.

So for instance, a custodian is not often respected by my society, and I think it's gross that my society doesn't respect them (I would also argue that society needs to respect custodians, for instance). But are we saying that by choosing to be a custodian, they have dehumanized themselves? I think this is victim blaming. I think the society that dehumanizes people is at fault, not the people they're dehumanizing.

I'm not sure you're arguing against my point of decent dress deterring bad behaviour?

My point in this instance is that societies can have different attitudes than other societies or even within the same society over time as attitudes change. While I can wear yoga pants and a sleep tank if I'm just running to a gas station or something in my culture and nobody thinks twice about it, I couldn't do that in some societies because the society itself has decided to dehumanize me for merely wearing something comfortable.

I think a better society is one in where we respect individual choices and don't dehumanize people that aren't hurting other people.

 

[Meow Mix]

Why would any female defend a practice that degraded and enslaved millions upon millions of women all through history and still continues to make woman nothing but objects? I don't get it.

1) Because it's the oldest profession in the world for a reason: whether we like it or not, it has always existed and always will exist. It would greatly diminish the suffering and pain of people that (for whatever reasons) end up in the profession to allow them to be able to report crimes against them, to have access to protection, to have protection from pimps, and to have law enforcement focus their energies on trafficking and other forms of non-voluntary prostitution.

2) Because people deserve respect even if they have a different worldview than we do. Prostitution and porn is not for me, but I respect men and women that do it because they're people. Hell, I view porn, how could I not have respect for the people that provide this service to me and many others?

Just because something isn't "for us," doesn't mean we get to dehumanize them.

3) Involuntary sex work is absolutely not being defended, and should be scoured from the face of the earth.

4) I can sympathize with prostitutes and porn stars and the like because I've personally worked in a sex work field as an exotic dancer. I know what it's like to do something that in my worldview is harmless, but which gets hate and vitriol and dehumanization from other people just because it's different from what they personally would feel comfortable with, so they wrongly project their moralization of a thing onto me and others.

 

[Wildswanderer]

3) Involuntary sex work is absolutely not being defended, and should be scoured from the face of the earth.

Not gonna happen as long as prostitution exists in any form.
And strip clubs fuel the industry.