LightofTruth
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By whom did sin enter the world, how did it enter, and what are the results of it entering?
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There is an interesting comment about this in Romans 7.By whom did sin enter the world, how did it enter, and what are the results of it entering?
It is part of an exegesis of atonement for gentiles. This author states that the law causes sin to come alive in Paul but that he also desires to do right, showing that there is a war within himself. He also borrows from the imagery of the garden, Eden. He doesn't refer directly to the story of the garden, and that is a good thing since it would be easy to take his analogy too far. The "Sin living in him" alludes to a statement in which the LORD warns Cain about the sin within himself which desires mastery over Cain. (In the story Cain kills his brother, so it is very violent impulse.) From this Paul gets his wording about that law of sin within fighting against his own will, his own desire to do right. So Paul puts forward that the sin is dormant within a person until the law comes and reveals it. The sin in Paul is also analogous to the world before the light is created and separated from the darkness in Genesis 1. The darkness (and by extension the law of sin) preexists the law which is like the creation of and separation of light from darkness. It is just like in Genesis 1.Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful. We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me.
For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing.
Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; (Rom 7:9-22 NIV)
IMO, as a byproduct of our "free will".By whom did sin enter the world, how did it enter, and what are the results of it entering?
With physical body .By whom did sin enter the world, how did it enter, and what are the results of it entering?
I find it interesting that Paul says sin lives within him. He even goes so far as to personify the sin within him as a Master. It even becomes a god because to serve sin is to serve it as a god. A person lets sin rule over him as a god.There is an interesting comment about this in Romans 7.
It is part of an exegesis of atonement for gentiles. This author states that the law causes sin to come alive in Paul but that he also desires to do right, showing that there is a war within himself. He also borrows from the imagery of the garden, Eden. He doesn't refer directly to the story of the garden, and that is a good thing since it would be easy to take his analogy too far. The "Sin living in him" alludes to a statement in which the LORD warns Cain about the sin within himself which desires mastery over Cain. (In the story Cain kills his brother, so it is very violent impulse.) From this Paul gets his wording about that law of sin within fighting against his own will, his own desire to do right. So Paul puts forward that the sin is dormant within a person until the law comes and reveals it. The sin in Paul is also analogous to the world before the light is created and separated from the darkness in Genesis 1. The darkness (and by extension the law of sin) preexists the law which is like the creation of and separation of light from darkness. It is just like in Genesis 1.
The difference in Adam before and after the fruit is the same as the difference in Paul before and after knowing the law. Thus by this argument sin enters into the world through our knowledge of good and evil. It is neither the serpent nor some artifice but our ability to tell one thing from another, and it interacts with our nature in a toxic way according to Paul's argument. It is hard to tell if if he thinks we should become ignorant again. If he does I disagree with him, and I think in that case he would be disagreeing with the choice to eat the fruit. That is why I wouldn't want him to take his analogy too far. I think we should retain the knowledge, endure the internal struggle.I find it interesting that Paul says sin lives within him. He even goes so far as to personify the sin within him as a Master. It even becomes a god because to serve sin is to serve it as a god. A person lets sin rule over him as a god.
It's also interesting that the sin which lives in him is said to be in his flesh and mind. So, there is what is called "sin in the flesh" as well as sin being transgression of the law of God, where one would actually give into the sin in the flesh and transgress God's law. But God even forbids man to desire something that does not belong to him. So, it is sin for someone to even have desires for what your neighbor has.
Eve had desires/lust for the forbidden fruit which shows that sin/lust was in her flesh and she let that sin rule over of her. But she was deceived by the serpent into thinking that she would not die. However, Adam was not deceived and he ate of the fruit anyway.
Now, Eve was made from the flesh of Adam, so her flesh which desired/lusted the fruit was the same flesh as Adam. Adam also desired/lusted the fruit which shows that he too had sin in the flesh.
James say that everyone is tempted when he is drawn away and entice by HIS OWN lust. And when the lust has conceived it brings forth sin, and sin when it is finished brings forth death.
This is important because Adam's sin has brought death to everyone. As Paul says "in Adam all sinned" and "through one man sin entered the world, and death by sin".