Science is a false God

[ChristineM]

Not necessarily. Anything or anyone can be a god so long as someone makes them a god. That isn't the same as everything being a god. All of those things you mention could be gods and most of them probably are somewhere.



No, because you can look at any god in any form that has ever existed and determine whether it is a god or not by simply asking is it attributed might by someone, venerated by someone, or worshiped by someone? That is all that a god is. Whether it's supernatural, natural, mythical, historical, human or inanimate object, etc.

So you look at the four or five definitions in the dictionary and how do they hold up to this principle?

gods 1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity. "a moon god" synonyms: deity, goddess, divine being, celestial being, supreme being, divinity, immortal; More an image, idol, animal, or other object worshiped as divine or symbolizing a god. synonyms: idol, graven image, icon, golden calf, totem, talisman, fetish, mascot, juju "wooden gods" used as a conventional personification of fate. "he dialed the number and, the gods relenting, got through at once"

3. an adored, admired, or influential person. "he has little time for the fashion victims for whom he is a god" a thing accorded the supreme importance appropriate to a god. "don't make money your god"

4. INFORMAL the gallery in a theater.

They all involve worship 1, 2 or veneration 1, 2, 3, 4 or someone attributing might to something or someone that is greater in might then they are. 1, 2, 3, 4.

Simple as that. Any god(s) or goddesses that have ever existed had only this to make them gods.

So you are agreeing with me that gods are made in the minds of people.

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

Hygiene does not equal cure to illnesses.

Hygiene can help prevent some illnesses.
Hygiene works better than prayer.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Science deals in facts and objective evidence.
Religion deals in subjective experiences from the mind. Religion lacks objective evidence for a god existing.

Well maybe there is no evidence that science would accept as proves of God, But when you are a spiritual person the proves are in the spiritual wisdom that arise (enlightenment level) But science has only started to see the benefit of example meditation. But i doubt that science one day will be able to point at god and say, "here he is"

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

My definition of a god is straight from the dictionary. But not just the first example given there, all of them.

What objective evidence do you have for a god? The evidence has to come from outside of the mind.

The Bible is the claim not the evidence.

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

Well maybe there is no evidence that science would accept as proves of God, But when you are a spiritual person the proves are in the spiritual wisdom that arise (enlightenment level) But science has only started to see the benefit of example meditation. But i doubt that science one day will be able to point at god and say, "here he is"

No objective evidence = no existence

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Many who say there is no God because science can't prove it actually worship science.

"Let us notice this morning how modern man has made a god of science. It was quite easy for modern man to put his ultimate faith in science because science had brought about such remarkable advances, such tangible and amazing victories. He realized that man through his scientific genius had dwarfed distances and placed time in chains. He noticed the new comforts that had been brought about by science, from the vast improvements in communication to the elimination of many dread plagues and diseases. And so after noticing these astounding successes modern man ushered in a new god and a new religion. Individual scientist became the high priests, chemical and biological instrumants became sacramental agencies through which the invisible grace of the scientific god became visibly manifested, and scientific laboratories became the sanctuaries. And so modern man dutifully worshipped at the shrine of the god of science.

But today we are confronted with the tragic fact that the god of science which we so devoutly worshipped has brought about the possibility of universal annihilation, and so man today stands on the brink of atomic destruction aghast, panic-stricken and petrified. He realizes now that his greatest need is not science which is power, but wisdom which is control. Doubtless some one has been saying, but is it not right to devote ourselves to scientific adventure? Is not science important for the progress of civilization? To this I would answer yes. No person of sound intelligence could minimize science. It is not science in itself that I am condemning, {but it is the tendency of projecting it to the status of God that I am condemning.} We must come to see that science only furnishes us with the means by which we live, but never with the spiritual ends for which we live. And so we must turn back and give our ultimate devotion to the God who integrates the whole of life, to the God in whom we live and move and have our being, to the God who has been our help in ages past, our hope for years to come, our shelter from the stormy blast, and our eternal home.6 Preached July 5, 1953"
False Gods We Worship | The Martin Luther King, Jr., Research and Education Institute

Do you think science proves God? Why should anyone believe in God?

 

[Spirit of Light]

No objective evidence = no existence

If i understand you correctly, you say if there can not physically be scientific proven it can not exist? Correct me if i understood you wrong.
But how about when science discover "new" science? when they find something never seen before? what made them suddenly believe it could be true? Just because they could messure it then it become true. but could not exist before they was able to messure it?

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

Not necessarily. Anything or anyone can be a god so long as someone makes them a god. That isn't the same as everything being a god. All of those things you mention could be gods and most of them probably are somewhere.



No, because you can look at any god in any form that has ever existed and determine whether it is a god or not by simply asking is it attributed might by someone, venerated by someone, or worshiped by someone? That is all that a god is. Whether it's supernatural, natural, mythical, historical, human or inanimate object, etc.

So you look at the four or five definitions in the dictionary and how do they hold up to this principle?

gods 1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity. "a moon god" synonyms: deity, goddess, divine being, celestial being, supreme being, divinity, immortal; More an image, idol, animal, or other object worshiped as divine or symbolizing a god. synonyms: idol, graven image, icon, golden calf, totem, talisman, fetish, mascot, juju "wooden gods" used as a conventional personification of fate. "he dialed the number and, the gods relenting, got through at once"

3. an adored, admired, or influential person. "he has little time for the fashion victims for whom he is a god" a thing accorded the supreme importance appropriate to a god. "don't make money your god"

4. INFORMAL the gallery in a theater.

They all involve worship 1, 2 or veneration 1, 2, 3, 4 or someone attributing might to something or someone that is greater in might then they are. 1, 2, 3, 4.

Simple as that. Any god(s) or goddesses that have ever existed had only this to make them gods.

Prove your god is real and superior to all the other gods people worship.

 

[Earthling]

What objective evidence do you have for a god? The evidence has to come from outside of the mind.

The Bible is the claim not the evidence.

Have you read this response I made? Look up god in the dictionary. At least from there you may have a better understanding of what the word means, what a god is.

 

[Earthling]

Prove your god is real and superior to all the other gods people worship.

I don't have to prove anything to you. Prove to me what you had to eat today.

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

If i understand you correctly, you say if there can not physically be scientific proven it can not exist? Correct me if i understood you wrong.
But how about when science discover "new" science? when they find something never seen before? what made them suddenly believe it could be true? Just because they could messure it then it become true. but could not exist before they was able to messure it?

Science deals in objective evidence and peer review. Science deals in facts.

If science proved there was a god, which god would it be?

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

I don't have to prove anything to you. Prove to me what you had to eat today.

Ah. Dodging and evading my question.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Science deals in objective evidence and peer review. Science deals in facts.

If science proved there was a god, which god would it be?

Would the God change or only the viewpoint from the people? it would only go from a spiritual belief to a spiritual proven god. God would not change

 

[Earthling]

Ah. Dodging and evading my question.

No, I'm demonstrating how overconfident you are. Prove to me what you had for any meal during the last week. Sounds simple enough, doesn't it. You can't. It's impossible. You want me to "prove" that my God is superior? He's the one you spend a considerable amount of time trying to convince others he doesn't exist. He's the one you are talking about thousands of years later.

Now . . . what did you eat last week . . .

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

To what event are you specifically referring to?

Have you ever read the OT?

 

[Maximilian]

So me and Ol'Nick know the bible better than you,
and you 've the gall to call me on my comments?

Try numbers 31 18

Let me know if you figure its all groovy and moral.

You're not making any sense. Why should God tolerate the evil?

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

Would the God change or only the viewpoint from the people? it would only go from a spiritual belief to a spiritual proven god. God would not change

Rude to answer a question with a question.
So which god would it be?

 

[Maximilian]

The Bible is the claim not the evidence. The Bible is a book written by humans to control other humans.
Morals are subjective, not objective. If morals come from god, they would be subjective coming from god's mind.

You're not making any sense. For legitimate ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ to exist morality simply cannot be relative for this makes ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ vulnerable to mere caprice. Under such an ambivalent standard absolutely nothing is actually ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ rendering these terms utterly otiose; conveying a distinction without a difference.

Accordingly:

(1) If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties don't exist.

(2) If evil exists, objective moral values and duties exist.

(3) Evil exists.

(4) Therefore, objective moral values and duties do exist.

(5) Therefore, God exists.

(6) Therefore, God is the locus of all objective moral values and duties.​

That's to say, as Dostoevsky once mused, "If there is no God, everything is permitted."

 

[Maximilian]

Have you ever read the OT?

Thoroughly and multiple times, yes. Have you?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Rude to answer a question with a question.
So which god would it be?

First of all, why is it rude to ask a question?
God would be the same even human beings could prove his existance, but human beings understanding of God would maybe change. and for the million of people who today believe in a God would then find their belief to be true. So actually nothing wrong would happen