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Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Remté, Feb 23, 2019.

  1. Maximilian

    Maximilian Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.

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    Prove it.
     
  2. Maximilian

    Maximilian Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.

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    Were you aware that there are literally thousands upon thousands of ancient Bible manuscripts - in the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine - available today in museums the world over? In fact, no other ancient writings are as well attested to as the Bible's. When you compare these manuscripts to modern Bibles it's unmistakable how accurately these render the ancient texts. As such, any fears of tampering or errata are unwarranted.
     
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  3. Maximilian

    Maximilian Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.

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    For you to operate from inside your materialistic, non-transcendent worldview and then demand materialistic evidence for the non-material, transcendent God (which invariably exists outside your perceived worldview) is a logically fallacious category error since it requires material evidence of the non-material, non-transcendent proof of the transcendent. It is exactly like asking to have an idea put on a scale or what color a song is. It does not work as they are completely different categories.

    As Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem makes evident, ‘Whatsoever may be bounded cannot explicate itself without referring to that which is without itself - some postulate whose certainty is unobtainable.’

    This is just what famed Physicist and Mathematician James Clerk Maxwell alluded to when he came to the conclusion, “Science is incompetent to reason upon the creation of matter itself out of nothing. We have reached the utmost limit of our thinking faculties when we have admitted that because matter cannot be eternal and self-existent, it must have been created.”
     
  4. Maximilian

    Maximilian Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.

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    "If you look at the um detail, details, of biochemistry, molecular biology, you might find a signature of some sort of designer." -Richard Dawkins

    Accordingly, how is creation not empirical evidence for its Creator?
     
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    History records that Babylon took the Jews into captivity. Yet, about 40 years before this happened Jeremiah foretold it. Isaiah predicted it some 150 years before it happened. He also foretold that the Jews would return from captivity. So did Jeremiah, saying that they would be restored to their land after 70 years.—Isaiah 39:6, 7; 44:26; Jeremiah 25:8-12; 29:10.


    This return was made possible by the overthrow of Babylon by the Medes and Persians in 539 B.C.E. It was foretold by Isaiah nearly 200 years before it happened, and by Jeremiah about 50 years before it occurred. Jeremiah said that the Babylonian soldiers would put up no fight. Both Isaiah and Jeremiah foretold that Babylon’s protecting waters, the river Euphrates, “must be dried up.” Isaiah even gave the name of the conquering Persian general, Cyrus, and said that before him “the gates [of Babylon] will not be shut.”—Jeremiah 50:38; 51:11, 30; Isaiah 13:17-19; 44:27; 45:1.


    The Greek historian Herodotus explained that Cyrus actually diverted the flow of the Euphrates and “the river sank to such an extent that the natural bed of the stream became fordable.”Thus, during the night, enemy soldiers marched along the riverbed and entered the city through gates that had been carelessly left open. “Had the Babylonians been apprised of what Cyrus was about,” Herodotus continued, “they would have made fast all the street-gates which [were] upon the river . . . But, as it was, the Persians came upon them by surprise and so took the city.”Actually, the Babylonians were involved in drunken revelry, as the Bible explains, and as Herodotus confirms. (Daniel 5:1-4, 30) Both Isaiah and Jeremiah foretold that Babylon would eventually become uninhabited ruins. And that is what happened. Today Babylon is a desolate heap of mounds.—Isaiah 13:20-22; Jeremiah 51:37, 41-43.


    Cyrus also restored the Jews to their homeland. Why would he do such a thing? The Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary explains, "Cyrus, according to Josephus, heard of this prophecy of Isaiah delivered so long before; hence he was induced to do that which was so contrary to Oriental policy, to aid in restoring the captive Jews and rebuilding their temple and city."


    Indeed, over two centuries before, Jehovah had foretold of Cyrus: “All that I delight in he will completely carry out.” (Isaiah 44:28) True to prophecy, after 70 years Cyrus returned the captives to their homeland, in 537 B.C.E. (Ezra 1:1-4) An ancient Persian inscription, called the Cyrus Cylinder, has been found that clearly states the policy of Cyrus to return captives to their homelands. “As to the inhabitants of Babylon,” Cyrus is recorded as having said, “I (also) gathered all their (former) inhabitants and returned (to them) their habitations.”



    Isaiah made a further startling prediction regarding Babylon:

    “She will never be inhabited.” (Isaiah 13:19, 20)​

    To predict permanent desolation for a sprawling city occupying a strategic location was bold indeed. You would normally expect that such a city would be rebuilt if ruined. Although Babylon lingered on for a while after its conquest, Isaiah’s words eventually came true. Today the site of ancient Babylon “is flat, hot, deserted and dusty,” reports Smithsonian magazine.


    It is awesome to contemplate the magnitude of Isaiah’s prophecy. What he foretold would be the equivalent of predicting the exact manner in which a modern city, such as New York or London, would be destroyed 200 years from now and then emphatically stating that it would never again be inhabited.


    Now, from a rational, unbiased, objective perspective, how do you explain Isaiah's ability to specifically and accurately predict events hundreds of years in advance?

    After all, had Alexander the Great or Saddam Hussein succeeded in rebuilding Babylon then this Bible prophecy would have been proven false and the Bible along with it. Their failures - both under peculiar circumstances - left this prophecy completely intact.
     
  6. Maximilian

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    Here you go: Post #214
     
  7. Maximilian

    Maximilian Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.

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    No coronary artery disease, heart valve disease, aorta disease and Marfan syndrome or vascular disease either. Sucks, I know . . .
     
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    So like a heap of dead leaves blown to and fro by the changing wind, wheresoever the herd impels you establishes for you what’s moral or immoral.

    This means, to illustrate, that, had you been in Stalin’s Russia you would have cheerfully gone along with the numerous pogroms as well as the Great Purges. And why wouldn’t you? At that moment, it's precisely what these argued was moral.

    With no objective moral values or obligations, you would have had absolutely no objective justifications to not follow along with their moral yardstick - despite the fact that it resulted in murdering men, women and young children simply because of their ethnicity.

    In the final analysis when you don’t stand for something you’ll fall for anything.

    As Voltaire put it, “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
     
  9. Maximilian

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    And evil is an objective moral value. You refute your own claim . . .
     
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    While Muslims do not worship Jehovah God the ancient people of Israel were a nation dedicated to him:

    "For I am Jehovah your God,
    The Holy One of Israel, your Savior.

    “You are my witnesses,”declares Jehovah,“
    Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,
    So that you may know and have faith in me
    And understand that I am the same One.
    Before me no God was formed,
    And after me there has been none." -Isaiah 43:3, 10

    Contemporary Israel, however, “is determined . . . to conquer the desert and make it flourish by the power of science and the pioneering spirit, and to transform the country into a bastion of democracy." (David Ben-Gurion, Former Israeli premier) They are not dedicated to Jehovah God.​
     
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    Try again.
     
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    Why believe in a 'transcendent' at all then? If there is no evidence and can be no evidence, what reason is there to believe in it?

    Are you a first order logical system with a recursively defined axiom system? if not, then Godel's results don't apply. In fact, we know that Godel's results don't apply to *second order* logical systems, let alone non-axiomatic systems like human beings.

    Maxwell lived in the middle to late 1800's. We've learned a few things since then. For example, Maxwell didn't know the Einstein equation E=mc^2. He didn't know anything about quantum mechanics. He knew nothing about the internal structure of atoms, nor the various types of subatomic particles.

    Do you think that maybe, just maybe, he could have been wrong in his conclusions?
     
  13. Maximilian

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    How is any of this conclusive evidence for your claim, to wit, "One cause of suicide is religiously inspired feelings and actions against homosexuals."
     
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    Yes :)
     
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    Maximilian Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.

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    Abel had children?
     
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    Just as you would have committed genocide in biblical times? 1 Samuel 15:3

    Also, this is not an argument for objective morality, it is an appeal to consequences fallacy.

    Arguments about objective morality from the religious are somewhat laughable. Nobody, for example, gets their morality from the bible - it doesn't have a clear moral message. Neither do people who profess to have access to objective morality from religion agree with each other about all moral issues.

    Even if there were such a thing, there might as well not be, because nobody has a reliable, repeatable way of accessing it.

    Matthew 7:5

    Your evidence for this statement is missing.
     
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    Islam believes in the same god as the Jews.
    What is wrong in using science and technology to make the desert aliveable place? Praying to a god doesn't change the desert.
     
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    Morals are subjective, not objective. If morals were objective, every culture and country would have the same morals.

    Tell what are the objective morals you talk about.
     
  19. Maximilian

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    You're not suggesting that, for instance, the genocide of Triads, Nordicists, Zetas, Baasskaps, MS-13s, Jihadists, Mungikis, Bloods, Yakuzas, Bratvas, Nazis and other such evil peoples would be morally wrong, are you?
     
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    Really? Can you take a moment and prove what’s so unclear about these?

    "For “whoever would love life and see good days must guard his tongue from bad and his lips from speaking deception. Let him turn away from what is bad and do what is good; let him seek peace and pursue it." -1 Peter 3:11

    “But now you must put them all away from you: wrath, anger, badness, abusive speech, and obscene talk out of your mouth. Do not lie to one another. Accordingly, as God’s chosen ones, holy and loved, clothe yourselves with the tender affections of compassion, kindness, humility, mildness, and patience. Continue putting up with one another and forgiving one another freely even if anyone has a cause for complaint against another. Just as Jehovah freely forgave you, you must also do the same. But besides all these things, clothe yourselves with love, for it is a perfect bond of union.” - Colossians 3:8,9, 12-14.

    “Never be anxious about the next day, for the next day will have its own anxieties. Each day has enough of its own troubles.” -Matthew 6:34

    ““You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy. However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have?" (Matthew 5:43-46)

    “Even a child is known by his actions, whether his behavior is pure and right.” -Proverbs 20:11
     
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