Scholz: Russian energy ban would mean European recession

[Kooky]

Actually, you can see in the given threads that both Chomsky and Hedges states that all western leaders have promised Gorbachev and Russia not to expand eastward, but did not honor their promises.

Russia also guaranteed Ukraine's independence in its 1991 borders when they signed a treaty where Ukraine sent all of its nuclear warheads to Russia.

Why is every country except Russia expected to honor their promises?

 

[Kooky]

Ok...I propose a quid pro quo as for the the Brussels institutions.
They tell me why a destructive and tragic individual like George Soros is allowed into the EU institutions. What role he plays and why.

Tell me why shapeshifting alien lizardmen are in control of the Illuminati institutions currently in charge of Italy, and what role the Rosicrucians currently play in Berlusconi's media empire. What do you have to say about that?

 

[exchemist]

If only somebody would have invested in alternate energy sources ahead of time, instead of doing the exact opposite and cutting almost all subsidies for green energy projects.

But, who could have foreseen the publically known consequences of both global climate change, as well as the extremely obvious dangers of being almost completely dependent on Russian gas imports!

True effing true, squire!

For the UK, Bozo's new so-called energy strategy fails on just about every measure. Just a list of vague, medium term targets, with no plan to achieve them - and nothing whatever to make a difference in the next 1-2years, which is obviously what is needed if we are at all serious. I've just read an article, castigating the government over it, in the Financial Times.

Nothing on energy efficiency, which would help everyone financially as well as quickly reducing exposure to energy imports. Almost nothing on onshore wind, or solar, which would be by far the fastest ways to make a difference, because of craven cowardice in the face of a few Nimbyish Sir Bufton Tuftons in the shires. A huge missed opportunity. The offshore wind and nuclear plans are welcome as far as they go, but these are just cheap promises without a clear plan to achieve them. Bozo is such a turd.

 

[Estro Felino]

Tell me why shapeshifting alien lizardmen are in control of the Illuminati institutions currently in charge of Italy, and what role the Rosicrucians currently play in Berlusconi's media empire. What do you have to say about that?

Speaking of lizards...you know...PM Dragons have those eyes...

 

[Estro Felino]

Tell me why shapeshifting alien lizardmen are in control of the Illuminati institutions currently in charge of Italy, and what role the Rosicrucians currently play in Berlusconi's media empire. What do you have to say about that?

I think that an European Deep State does exist.
And they are in on it.
They do want to unleash WW3 because it can be profitable to so many billionaires.

 

[Estro Felino]

Russia funds political causes in every single EU and NATO country.

Does Soros do the same?

 

[Estro Felino]

AFAIK, that's already been taken care of - Gazprom owns a separate bank that is to exchange foreign currency for Russian Rubels. Since Gazprom is part of the Russian state kleptocracy, all is well again.

Same as the ECB Seigniorage Banking.
Legalized usury.

 

[Heyo]

They do want to unleash WW3 because it can be profitable to so many billionaires.

That may be true for the US but most European billionaires don't have their fingers in the war business. For them war means mostly loosing money, like now. They'd prefer well oiled global trade without sanctions or tariffs. That's why we have the EU.

 

[Estro Felino]

That may be true for the US but most European billionaires don't have their fingers in the war business. For them war means mostly loosing money, like now. They'd prefer well oiled global trade without sanctions or tariffs. That's why we have the EU.

For honest goods and services producers, for big entrepreneurs and firm owners, war is a disaster.
But for weapons producers, it is not.

 

[Heyo]

For honest goods and services producers, for big entrepreneurs and firm owners, war is a disaster.
But for weapons producers, it is not.

Exactly.
There are a few big weapons manufacturers in Europe, especially in Germany but we have a small military ourselves and strict export regulations.
The US has the biggest military in the world, bigger then the next ~10 combined. The US spend about 20 - 25% of their budget on the military. Being a weapons manufacturer in the US is profitable business. In Europe the market is too small to make the big bucks.

 

[Augustus]

Does Soros do the same?

Plenty of countries, people and organisations fund political causes around the world.

Why are you obsessed with Soros, but care nothing about all of the others?

The problem of powerful interests influencing politics for their benefit is real, why the obsession with one person who does this, while you adore another (Putin) who does this with far more hostile intention?

 

[Estro Felino]

Plenty of countries, people and organisations fund political causes around the world.

Why are you obsessed with Soros, but care nothing about all of the others?

The problem of powerful interests influencing politics for their benefit is real, why the obsession with one person who does this, while you adore another (Putin) who does this with far more hostile intention?

It depends on the moral and ethical dimension of the "funder".
George Soros said things in the past which confirm his demoniac nature.

So...if you provide me with evidence that other rich funders have the same nature, I will take it into account.

Putin, au contraire said things which confirm his Christian values push him to side with universal welfare and justice

 

[Augustus]

It depends on the moral and ethical dimension of the "funder".
George Soros is evil incarnate. He said things in the past which confirm his demoniac nature.

Such as?

Putin, au contraire said things which confirm his Christian values push him to side with universal welfare and justice

Russia funds whatever it seeks to be most divisive, from far left to far right. He seeks to undermine the fabric of society and create hatred.

Not to mention killing people with radioactive poison, chemical weapons, deliberately destroying entire cities with artillery and carpet bombing, etc.

On what rational, non-delusional grounds is he about universal justice, and Soros is "demonic"?

 

[Estro Felino]

Such as?



Russia funds whatever it seeks to be most divisive, from far left to far right. He seeks to undermine the fabric of society and create hatred.

Not to mention killing people with radioactive poison, chemical weapons, deliberately destroying entire cities with artillery and carpet bombing, etc.

On what rational, non-delusional grounds is he about universal justice, and Soros is "demonic"?

Soros said
I cannot and will not look at the social consequences of my own actions*
I am one person. Who tries to be moral but sometimes does amoral things.

*the topic was the disastrous speculations in Malaysia and Indonesia that pushed the governments of these countries to declare him unwanted person.

Btw...now it is my turn to ask you: what kind of EU do you have in mind? A EU ruled by tragic characters like Soros? Or Draghi? What do you think of Mario Draghi?

 

[Augustus]

Soros said
I cannot and will not look at the social consequences of my own actions*
I am one person. Who tries to be moral but sometimes does amoral things.

*the topic was the disastrous speculations in Malaysia and Indonesia that pushed the governments of these countries to declare him wanted person.

You haven't addressed why currency speculation makes someone demonic, but the following makes Putin a hero:

Russia funds whatever it seeks to be most divisive, from far left to far right. He seeks to undermine the fabric of society and create hatred.

Not to mention killing people with radioactive poison, chemical weapons, deliberately destroying entire cities with artillery and carpet bombing, etc.

On what rational, non-delusional grounds is he about universal justice, and Soros is "demonic"?

Btw...now it is my turn to ask you: what kind of EU do yoi have in mind? A EU ruled by tragic characters like Soros? Or Draghi? What do yoi think of Mario Draghi?

The EU should have been a free-trade zone, and most of the political union stuff is an ideological vanity project by technocrats that will lead to its eventual break up (unless they start to learn form their mistakes which is unlikely).

I believe many of those in charge are arrogant, aloof and blinded by ideology, but I don't think they are evil.

It is far better than an oppressive kleptocracy like Russia for example. Hence there is mostly a rule of law and countries join or leave voluntarily, not because a foreign power demands to be their overlord whether they like it or not.

 

[Estro Felino]

You haven't addressed why currency speculation makes someone demonic, but the following makes Putin a hero:

Russia funds whatever it seeks to be most divisive, from far left to far right. He seeks to undermine the fabric of society and create hatred.

Not to mention killing people with radioactive poison, chemical weapons, deliberately destroying entire cities with artillery and carpet bombing, etc.

On what rational, non-delusional grounds is he about universal justice, and Soros is "demonic"?

I will be very clear and concise: because Putin antagonizes the likes of Soros and Rothschilds and all those who want to become richer and richer at cost of people's poverty. Through Banking Seigniorage.

Putin is hated by these people because he nationalized Russian resources and the Russian financial system. Through Gazprom and Gazprombank. That money is public. It belongs to the Russian people.

These demonic financial elites are greedier than ravenous wolves and would like to take possession of that natural gas company, to enjoy profits.
This is horrible. Greed is horrible.

So in my eyes Putin is like Robin Hood and Soros is like Prince John:

 

[Stevicus]

For honest goods and services producers, for big entrepreneurs and firm owners, war is a disaster.
But for weapons producers, it is not.

The way I see it, for the big business owners, war for them is like playing at the casino. They're gambling that their side will win. Being on the winning side (or the side of the conquerors) is most definitely a favorable position for big business, not just the weapons producers.

On the other hand, if the people themselves see no real benefit, then public support for war will fall by the wayside. After WW2, big business shared the spoils of victory with the common people, which is why the US economy grew as large as it did from about 1945-1970. But by the late 60s/early 70s, it appears that the Powers That Be became more resentful of the commoners in America (probably due to the anti-war movement, civil rights movement, and the labor movement), which is when the gravy train came to a halt.

 

[Stevicus]

Putin is hated by these people because he nationalized Russian resources and the Russian financial system. Through Gazprom and Gazprombank. That money is public. It belongs to the Russian people.

These demonic financial elites are greedier than ravenous wolves and would like to take possession of that natural gas company, to enjoy profits.
This is horrible. Greed is horrible.

In other words, they're just like typical capitalists. Some may be higher up on the food chain than others, but they're all part of the same global system. Even Putin was a part of it - or at least wanted to be a part of it. Putin is a capitalist, too.

 

[Estro Felino]

In other words, they're just like typical capitalists. Some may be higher up on the food chain than others, but they're all part of the same global system. Even Putin was a part of it - or at least wanted to be a part of it. Putin is a capitalist, too.

It is not something amendable or justifiable.
If they are already rich, what do they need the extra money for?
Money that is for the Russian people's needs.

 

[Estro Felino]

The way I see it, for the big business owners, war for them is like playing at the casino. They're gambling that their side will win. Being on the winning side (or the side of the conquerors) is most definitely a favorable position for big business, not just the weapons producers.

On the other hand, if the people themselves see no real benefit, then public support for war will fall by the wayside. After WW2, big business shared the spoils of victory with the common people, which is why the US economy grew as large as it did from about 1945-1970. But by the late 60s/early 70s, it appears that the Powers That Be became more resentful of the commoners in America (probably due to the anti-war movement, civil rights movement, and the labor movement), which is when the gravy train came to a halt.

War is disliked by the people.
Most Italians know that WW2 was absolutely a nightmare from the very first.
Evidence: until 1940 the Duce was considered a deity to worship. There are videos in which he speaks in English and he says he loves peace and rejects war. That is why he was liked.

Spoiler: Duce

As soon as he said yes the war, Italians felt betrayed and started hating him immensely.


One more thing. He was a socialist. He did not like fascists but used them just to get to power.