Satanists denied opening prayer for the third time in Boston.

[Subduction Zone]

“Understood”. No. More like, “interpreted”. The same applies to everyone else who has ever read the Bible.

Yes, but some interpretations are better than others. One can interpret the Bible from several viewpoints. From that of the various authors, from that of history, and there are countless different Christian interpretations but quite a few of those are eventually self contradicting.

And due to a lack of a demand that the Bible is "true" atheists can quite often interpret it better from various different viewpoints.

 

[Ponder This]

Do you really think it is that simple? The rules that they have in place are discriminatory. They tried to spread the blame around, but it is still a discriminatory practice which makes it unconstitutional and even goes against Boston's own laws:

The Salem-based group, which has lodged freedom of religion challenges nationwide, said Tuesday that the council's policy for its opening prayer is discriminatory and unconstitutional because it does not permit prayer from every religious organization that wishes to deliver one.


The Satanic Temple, in its federal lawsuit filed last week, argues that the council policy violates the city's public accommodations statute, which states that any place serving a public function is entitled to protection from discrimination. It also violates the U.S. Constitution’s Equal Protection Clause, which it argues guarantees all religions an equal opportunity to participate in free-speech forums.

Yeah, I'd like to know what what they base their case on because it does seem too simple.

 

[Wrangler]

In a secular democracy either all or none.

Fortunately, America is not nor ever was a secular democracy. Our Christian nation established a secular government.

That America has some but not all religious influence is undeniable. The Law Giver, Moses, is depicted on the Supreme Court door and the Office of the Chaplain was established by the Founding Fathers with EVERY SINGLE Chaplain appointed being a Christian.

 

[Wrangler]

Nature itself is just not black and white.

Life and death is found in nature. Pretty black and white.

 

[Wrangler]

The majority may want to silence someone for forcing their views. The Constitution promises the person they want silenced can free voice the offending view.

Appeal to Strawman. The basic argument is the nature of ANY society is incompatible with the concept of individualism. By definition, a society is formed by conventions - such as religion, language and customs.

American society is and has always been based on the Christian convention.

 

[Wrangler]

There is no such force acting in history. Humans are humans. No devils or gods required.

You are in denial. The role Satan played in the Fall of Man has been known for 4,000 years.

Denying history, you are doomed to repeat it.

The biggest lie Satan has convinced people of is that he does not exist.

 

[Wrangler]

There is nothing in the OT to even suggest Satan is evil or opposed to god.

Wrong. I already pointed out how the Evil of Satan is established in Genesis.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wrong. I already pointed out how the Evil of Satan is established in Genesis.

The stories in Genesis are demonstrably mythical so how does that establish that Satan is evil?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are in denial. The role Satan played in the Fall of Man has been known for 4,000 years.

Denying history, you are doomed to repeat it.

The biggest lie Satan has convinced people of is that he does not exist.

And once again, a myth does not help you. Most Christians do not seem to accept the Garden of Eden story. The evidence tells us that life was the product of evolution. The story still "works" as a morality tale and that appears to be how many Christians treat it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Fortunately, America is not nor ever was a secular democracy. Our Christian nation established a secular government.

That America has some but not all religious influence is undeniable. The Law Giver, Moses, is depicted on the Supreme Court door and the Office of the Chaplain was established by the Founding Fathers with EVERY SINGLE Chaplain appointed being a Christian.

It actually is. You should read the Constitution some day. In fact that the United States is not a Christian nation is directly claimed in the first treaty that we signed after the adoption of the Constitution:

Article 11 reads:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.


Treaty of Tripoli - Wikipedia

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Life and death is found in nature. Pretty black and white.

And yet the distinction between the two is not always easy.

Appeal to Strawman. The basic argument is the nature of ANY society is incompatible with the concept of individualism. By definition, a society is formed by conventions - such as religion, language and customs.

American society is and has always been based on the Christian convention.

It is inherent we cannot have unrestrained individualism and have a functioning society. Or existence as social animals also basically makes "pure individualism" impossible, as the existence of empathy does inhibit desires of the individual.
And America is based on Enlightened philosophy. We don't find Christian teachings when we examine them. Instead we see a lot of John Locke. He was practically plagiarized.

You are in denial. The role Satan played in the Fall of Man has been known for 4,000 years.

Denying history, you are doomed to repeat it.

The biggest lie Satan has convinced people of is that he does not exist.

Nah. I checked with a flashlight. No boogeymen.

You are in denial. The role Satan played in the Fall of Man has been known for 4,000 years.

Denying history, you are doomed to repeat it.

The biggest lie Satan has convinced people of is that he does not exist.

Nah. I checked with a flashlight. No boogeymen.

 

[Wrangler]

And America is based on Enlightened philosophy. We don't find Christian teachings when we examine them. Instead we see a lot of John Locke.

While John Locke was the most referenced non-Biblical source, the most referenced source the Founding Fathers used was the Bible.

If you don’t see that, there is no point in looking with a flashlight for you don’t have eyes to see or ears to hear.

 

[Wrangler]

And yet the distinction between the two is not always easy.

Only to those who lack discernment can’t tell easily the difference between evil and good, dark for light, bitter for sweet.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Only to those who lack discernment can’t tell easily the difference between evil and good, dark for light, bitter for sweet.

Then why are those things not see easily told apart? Dawn amd dusk, life and death, to those who know life and the universe are not black and white the colors and nuances of between two opposites become apparent.

While John Locke was the most referenced non-Biblical source, the most referenced source the Founding Fathers used was the Bible.

Bible: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Kill those who know me and then worship another god.
America: Congress shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free practice thereof."
Looks like the two aren't compatible from the start. Our 1 and gods 1 are polar opposites.
Bible : Render unto Ceaser that which is Ceasers.
America: No troop quartering, no unwarranted searches amd seizure.
Looks like we're still better.
Bible: You can keep slaves.
America: No involuntary servitude.
We are definitely way better.

 

[Wrangler]

Then why are those things not see easily told apart?

They are VERY easily told apart. It is the transition that is distracting

 

[Left Coast]

Fortunately, America is not nor ever was a secular democracy. Our Christian nation established a secular government.

Secular democratic government = secular democracy.

That America has some but not all religious influence is undeniable. The Law Giver, Moses, is depicted on the Supreme Court door and the Office of the Chaplain was established by the Founding Fathers with EVERY SINGLE Chaplain appointed being a Christian.

That's true. Thankfully, neither Moses/the Torah nor chaplains have any power in the functions of U.S. government. By design.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They are VERY easily told apart. It is the transition that is distracting

When does red become orange? When does blue become violet?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's true. Thankfully, neither Moses/the Torah nor chaplains have any power in the functions of U.S. government. By design.

Very fortunately also. We (as in you and I) would be dead if America went by the Law of Moses as Christians often claim. A great many Christians would also find themselves being executed over religious differences. At best they'd find themselves unable to legally practice their own denomination. The Founding Fathers knew the only way to prevent such things to remove religion entirely from the equation.

 

[Wrangler]

When does red become orange? When does blue become violet?

There you go, confusing the process with the destination, the transition from the end points.

The Founding Fathers knew the only way to prevent such things to remove religion entirely from the equation.

No. A prohibition on a federally sponsored religion is not at all EQUAL TO no religion in the equation and I’ve already provided numerous examples.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Fortunately, America is not nor ever was a secular democracy. Our Christian nation established a secular government.

That America has some but not all religious influence is undeniable. The Law Giver, Moses, is depicted on the Supreme Court door and the Office of the Chaplain was established by the Founding Fathers with EVERY SINGLE Chaplain appointed being a Christian.

Other mythical beings, nonChristian ones are also depicted. The appearance of Moses is a support of laws, it is not the support of any religion.

In fact there are quite a few lawgivers on the friezes. From mythical to historical, no religion appears to be preferred. It is almost as though those beliefs did not matter:

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