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Satanism and Sex

Discussion in 'Satanism DIR' started by Rex, Apr 27, 2004.

  1. 1137

    1137 Wandering in Darkness / Priest of Set
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    LaVey and the ONA speak for all LHP followers? That is strange as some of us are theistic or spiritual and most are against human sacrifice. The ONA speaks for fascist Satanism usually, tied to terrorism. Whether this is actually true or not, the ONA love the attention. Pseudo-satanism is not LHP. As for LaVeyan Satanism, it definitely does not speak for everyone. Rape is bad because it is bad, not cause LaVey said so. Unlike RHP groups, we can naturally be moral without orders and threats from deties.
     
  2. Hexavibrongal

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    I wasn't necessarily claiming that all LHP religions follow doctrine, but so far a lot of people are citing doctrine including the OP, and most LHP religions I've researched so far have at least a few basic documents that outline a few beliefs. Maybe there are some LHPers who read, follow, and believe nothing and rely solely on introspective meditation, but so far I haven't found anyone like that.

    How do you know that? As stated, it kinda sounds like dogma! ;)
     
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    People write books based on their beliefs. We read these books and the beliefs evolve and change into what works for us. It is not so much teaching as sharing ideas.

    I think it is an absolute moral truth. SUPPOSEDLY rape is bad because god said so. However, god said so because rape is bad.
     
  4. Hexavibrongal

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    That's exactly how I would describe my approach to the Bible. :)
     
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    *raises hand*
     
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    When I approached the Bible that way
    I was told by other christians that I wasn't christian at all.

    I realize now, that my Self Realized Christ'I'anity
    was a Left hand Path/Gnostic type interpretation/understanding
    of the Red letter (Jesus teachings only) Bible.

    The rest of the Bible I no longer had any use for or interest in.
    I followed no doctrine that told me "I couldn't do that".

    But by modern doctrinal standards
    no christian I knew would classify me as such.

    So I handed back their doctrinal label
    as it was of no longer of any use to me.

    This all took place after I participated in doctrinal christianity for a time.
    That almost killed me.

    I don't like doctrine, and won't do it anymore.
    I don't care WHOSE it is.
    And if anyone says I'm not up to the par of some label or another
    they can have it.

    I Am Who I Am, by in'tuition.
    If certain vocabularies, labels and ideas are useful to me,
    I use them.
    If they're not? :shrug:
    The truth is, they don't really mean that much to me
    in and of themselves.

    Labels only hold illusory power anyway.
    (and I say that, because that is how I see it.)
     
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    People here are being nice enough to give you some information for free. You're overinterpreting the pieces of information you get to an absurd extreme. These conclusions you're drawing are your own invention.
     
  8. Hexavibrongal

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    I think the question i was asking is totally valid and relevant.
     
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    It was a comment on your behaviour in general, written for the benefit of others as much as for you.
     
  10. Hexavibrongal

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    I'm really not trying to be difficult, I'm just trying to understand where the concepts of morality in LHP really come from, and so far the answers have been too vague for me to feel like I have a satisfactory understanding of the source of LHP ethics except for ideas that come from doctrine.

    Okay, but I think it's fair to ask that when you quote me, that you at least take the time to find a quote that is most relevant to what you're saying. I don't think there's anything wrong with the question that you quoted within the context of the discussion that it was posed.
     
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    So you guys do swinger parties right?
     
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    You bring up a good point in this conversation about consensual sex being the only kind permitted. Don't spells which are designed to get someone to sleep with you infinge upon consensuality?
     
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    I've never heard of Satanists doing that but if everyone agreed on it I don't see what would be wrong with it.

    No more than people trying to win a girl's affections, or trying to court her. It's no different in functionality than wearing sexy clothing or hitting on someone. Likewise if a ritual fails it doesn't force them to have sex with you in the same that hitting on someone doesn't force them. It only works with someone that is sexually inclined towards with you to begin with, as all magic works with nature and not against it.
     
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    Personally, I have never thought that chasing a piece of tail was important enough to do a ritual for. Nothing can be done to violate someones choice of free will anyway, but you can remove things that were impeding progress on your end. Of course she may still not like you, even if you aren't doing anything wrong. :) This does get me into another line of thought though...

    If she actually wants to have sex with you... even if you caused it to happen... is it still consensual? :) Is this different that saying just the right thing and getting her panties to drop? Hmm, I am not so sure. :) I just know how to talk to women, and don't need the ritual. But, I can somewhat force the situation based on how I present myself... you see? Consensual really just means 'willingly' -- paying no mind to how she got there. :)
     
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    Yeah, not everyone is going to buy into Christianity. But I think it is Truth.
     
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    Okay, I'll bite, what is DIR?

    Can we really judge what is good, or good fruit, without God's help? Seems everyone has their own view of what's good, which often conflict with what others judge as good.
     
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    "Most" are against human sacrifice? Most?
     
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    DIR means "Discuss Individual Religion". Each DIR has a specific religious umbrella, in which you have to either agree with the tenets of said religion being discussed, or only ask polite and relevant questions inquiring about the religion, in order to post.

    EDIT: The DIR you are in is the LHP/Satanism sub-DIR.
     
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    I see. I somehow accidentally ventured into that area somehow.
     
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    This is also a thread from April 2012. Tis' very old.
     
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