Desert Snake
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Romans 2:2-4 presents a question, can you answer it?
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It presents two. Which one do you mean?Romans 2:2-4 presents a question, can you answer it?
Either one. They might go together, so both are presented.It presents two. Which one do you mean?
OK. No, to both.Either one. They might go together, so both are presented.
The second one seems necessary, but either one.OK. No, to both.
Again. No. To both.The second one seems necessary, but either one.
Who is the second question referring to?Again. No. To both.
(That means no to the first; and no to the second as well.)
Man has already been judged. he got the death sentence. Therefore, the idea that one might be saved from death who practices sin is false.The second one seems necessary, but either one.
Referring to? It is asking the people St Paul was addressing, of course, viz. Roman proto-Christians. And he is talking about God's patience and forgiveness.Who is the second question referring to?
All of which has precisely zero to do with this thread. But well done for not mentioning water, hydrogen bonds, liberals or the Second Law of Thermodynamics.In paradise, humans were similar to animals, in the sense of having natural instincts, designed for humans. What they did and how they acted was based on innate choices that was already made for them, by nature and instinct; choices of God. These blended them with nature.
With the tree of knowledge of good and evil, humans stopped acting naturally, and began to subjectively and objectively define each aspect of behavior as good or evil. This caused humans to lose contact with natural instinct; paradise was sealed. Without conscious instinct, humans had to outwardly find the laws of God, which became increasingly blended with laws of man; both objective and subjective. While simply being obedient to law of man, because it is both subjective and objective, was not sufficient to be justify before God; natural part of his creation.
For example, the social laws of PC are basically subjective. Obedience does require willpower and choice. However, these choices are based on humans conditioning, led by the whines of the neurotic. We may feel the need or pressure to go along to appease the conditioned pain, but this path, even if sincerely followed, will not lead you to where you think. It is not connected to natural law or to instinct. It is law of man based on ulterior motives that are not fully righteous or objective.
As an experiment for pet owners. Call your pet nasty names that are taboo to PC. However, do this with love and joy in your voice. The natural instinct of the pet will cause him/her to approach since they will not act on the words, but will act based on your welcoming feelings. Words are secondary when it comes to instinct. Now reverse this and call your pet endearing names, but with anger in your voice. Again the words are secondary to the intent of the heart. The pet will hesitate.
PC is not natural, since hate speech ignores the feelings, such as hate against Trump. This is not called hate speech. It will instead censor self serving sounds, even if done in comedy and laughter. This path leads you the wrong way, away from the paradise, even if following the herd seems subjectively righteous.
Specifically directed to people of bad consciousness, evil nature who understand purpose of the law but their nature would not submit to rejecting evil that does not allow agape.Romans 2:2-4 presents a question, can you answer it?
Romans 2:4
Is that Jesus, being referred, to?
Romans 2:3Referring to? It is asking the people St Paul was addressing, of course, viz. Roman proto-Christians. And he is talking about God's patience and forgiveness.
What's the issue?
All you have to do is read the chapter in full and consider to whom this epistle was addressed.Romans 2:3
Is talking about perception, of another, not deity,
Then,
Romans 2:4
Says 'or despiseth his...'
So, how are you deriving, that the patience so forth, is referring to God?
The patience etc, would be the person, [being despised, who has those attributes because of the religious belief.
Ie,
'Dlnt judge such and such, (person,
Don't despise his goodness(person,
Because the religion is atrributional to the goodness.
Romans 2:3Referring to? It is asking the people St Paul was addressing, of course, viz. Roman proto-Christians. And he is talking about God's patience and forgiveness.
What's the issue?
Don't be ridiculous. The entire chapter is quite plainly talking about God's judgement (both condemnation and patience, and goodness etc), on the people he is writing to. There is no third person referred to, or implied, anywhere.Romans 2:3
is connected to
Romans 2:4
Romans 2:3
[Don't judge the bad, such and such[referring to another(person
Or
Romans 2:4
[Despise the goodness, [referring to another(person
Because
Romans 2:4
[The goodness is because of G-d.
Both the 'judging the bad', and, the 'despising the good, the patience and such', are referring to another person.
The 'patience ', so forth, is talking about another [person, not G-d.