Right wing Dutch politician proposes, move the Palestinians to Jordan

[Shaul]

The invasion has been ongoing and the vast majority come from Europe. See chart below.View attachment 30394

“Thanks” for providing a chart from unknown provenance and suspect validity. The truth is quite different.

According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, in 2008, of Israel's 7.3 million people, 75.6 percent were Jews of any background.[27] Among them, 70.3 percent were Sabras (born in Israel), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis, and the rest are olim (Jewish immigrants to Israel)—20.5 percent from Europe and the Americas, and 9.2 percent from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries.[28]

Demographics of Israel - Wikipedia

Oh, and you completely overlook the fact that many of the Arabs claiming to be “Palestinian” themselves migrated from other countries. Many flocked there after Jewish settlers (not “invaders”) drained swamps and made the land habitable. Even Yasser Arafat himself was born in Cairo, Egypt.

Your simplistic narrative on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is as wrong as it is naive.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

“Thanks” for providing a chart from unknown provenance and suspect validity. The truth is quite different.

It's from Wikipedia. Same source you cited. And Yasser Arafat's parents were Palestinians who migrated to Egypt, his father was from Gaza and his mother from Jerusalem. And the majority of those Sabras are descendants of Europeans.

 

[Shaul]

It's from Wikipedia. Same source you cited. And Yasser Arafat's parents were Palestinians who migrated to Egypt, his father was from Gaza and his mother from Jerusalem. And the majority of those Sabras are descendants of Europeans.

And the “Jews from Europe” are descendants from Jews that were from Jerusalem and Israel. So how come you have a double standard, one for Arafat and another for Jews? And, no, the majority of the Sabras are descended of Jews from non-Europeans.

 

[columbus]

In his revisionist world, it was the Ottoman Empire that started WW1 not Germany and Austria-Hungary

I didn't say any such thing.
But, apparently, in your revisionist world the Arab/Israeli war in the late 40s didn't happen.
Got it.
Tom

 

[sooda]

A far right wing Dutch politician proposes a truly radical solution to the Israeli-Palestinian problem. His proposed solution is to rename Jordan to Palestine and move all the Palestinian residents of the West Bank (Samaria and Judea) there.

'Transfer all of the Palestinians to Jordan'

He probably is too stupid to know the difference between a Jordanian an a Palestinian.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

And the “Jews from Europe” are descendants from Jews that were from Jerusalem and Israel.

They had not any ties to Palestine for thousands of years.
If you only count lineage by the maternal line then maybe they have a little blood ties to the land, but barely. Or perhaps as some have suggested...none at all. And I am not buying into the Khazars things, but test of maternal lineages suggests that they are Europeans.

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

Genetic Roots of the Ashkenazi Jews

 

[The Reverend Bob]

I didn't say any such thing.
But, apparently, in your revisionist world the Arab/Israeli war in the late 40s didn't happen.
Got it.
Tom

You are even a revisionist in your own posting history.

Right wing Dutch politician proposes, move the Palestinians to Jordan

 

[sooda]

And the “Jews from Europe” are descendants from Jews that were from Jerusalem and Israel. So how come you have a double standard, one for Arafat and another for Jews? And, no, the majority of the Sabras are descended of Jews from non-Europeans.

Arfat's father was Egyptian ..His mother was Palestinian. No relation to Arafat.

His birth was registered in Gaza... which was the norm.

 

[Shaul]

They had not any ties to Palestine for thousands of years.
If you only count lineage by the maternal line then maybe they have a little blood ties to the land, but barely. Or perhaps as some have suggested...none at all. And I am not buying into the Khazars things, but test of maternal lineages suggests that they are Europeans.

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

Genetic Roots of the Ashkenazi Jews

Genetics confirms the origin of Jews, they come from the Levant.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2010-06-dna-geographical-jews.html

Open your eyes,
Did European Jews displace the indigenous Palestinians? - Israel Advocacy Movement

 

[columbus]

You are even a revisionist in your own posting history.

Oh yeah right.
Bringing up the Muslim war against Israel in the 40s is revisionist.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Arfat's father was Egyptian ..His mother was Palestinian. No relation to Arafat.

Who has no relationship with Arafat? His mom or his dad?
Seriously?
Tom

 

[sooda]

Genetics confirms the origin of Jews, they come from the Levant.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2010-06-dna-geographical-jews.html

Open your eyes,
Did European Jews displace the indigenous Palestinians? - Israel Advocacy Movement

Arab Jews share the same generic markers as Lebanese and Syrians.. The Ashkenazi Jewsdonw.

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European
https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html
Oct 08, 2013 · Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe. Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Genetics confirms the origin of Jews, they come from the Levant.

Not in terms of evidence from mitochondrial DNA. Y chromosomal DNA suggests that there might be some Near Eastern ties but can't tell from where, you can precisely measure that with Y chromosomal DNA. I thought Jews trace their heritage from the maternal lineage. Matrilineality in Judaism - Wikipedia

A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Oh yeah right.
Bringing up the Muslim war against Israel in the 40s is revisionist.
Tom

You said to google the OTTOMAN EMPIRE and WW1

 

[sooda]

Who has no relationship with Arafat? His mom or his dad?


Tom

His mother was NOT from the same Palestinian family as Arafat,but she was Paslestinian.

The extended family usually Egyptians, Syrian, Lebanese etc. ITs been that way for thousands of years.

Seriously?​

 

[columbus]

You said to google the OTTOMAN EMPIRE and WW1

Because you and your friends posted things like post #17.
Listening to you talk, one might think that Syria, Jordan, and Egypt haven't ever had a tank or jet fighter.
Tom

 

[sooda]

Not in terms of evidence from mitochondrial DNA. Y chromosomal DNA suggests that there might be some Near Eastern ties but can't tell from where, you can precisely measure that with Y chromosomal DNA. I thought Jews trace their heritage from the maternal lineage. Matrilineality in Judaism - Wikipedia

A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages

Not until the time of Ezra after the Babylonian exile.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Not until the time of Ezra after the Babylonian exile.

Because they wanted to cast doubt on the heritage of the Northern Israelites still living in the land.

 

[sooda]

Who has no relationship with Arafat? His mom or his dad?
Seriously?
Tom

Arafat's father was a traveling salesman..He sold textiles allover Egypt and the Levant.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Because you and your friends posted things like post #17.
Listening to you talk, one might think that Syria, Jordan, and Egypt haven't ever had a tank or jet fighter.
Tom

Your post is #13! How can you say that you were refuting #17 if you are #13?

 

[columbus]

Arfat's father was Egyptian ..His mother was Palestinian. No relation to Arafat.

Here's what you said. Right here on RF

His mother was NOT from the same Palestinian family as Arafat,but she was Paslestinian.

I don't care much for Zionists.
But I don't care much for violent Muslimists either. Nor do I care for violent Christians or Democrats or Trump supporters.

You seem to think that opposing violence from people I disagree with is the same as endorsing violence from people I do agree with. Well, I don't.
I don't agree with, or endorse, violent from anybody.
Tom