Right wing Dutch politician proposes, move the Palestinians to Jordan

[sooda]

Because they wanted to cast doubt on the heritage of the Northern Israelites still living in the land.

Readthe scripture.. Ezra demanded the dump their foreignwives and children.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Readthe scripture.. Ezra demanded the dump their foreignwives and children.

Ezra is Judean slander against Samaritans i.e. the Northern Israelites

 

[sooda]

Ezra is Judean slander against Samaritans i.e. the Northern Israelites

NO .. he was talking about Babylonian wives. The Judean s always hated and envied the Israelis.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

NO .. he was talking about Babylonian wives. The Judean s always hated and envied the Israelis.

I thought you were talking about the Samaritan thing. Yeah he told them to put away their pagan wives because they might bring pagan ideas into the land like Ezra/Nehemiah hypocritically did with their introduction of Persian dualism in Judaism.

 

[Shad]

In his revisionist world, it was the Ottoman Empire that started WW1 not Germany and Austria-Hungary

Austria-Hungary and Russia.

 

[sooda]

I thought you were talking about the Samaritan thing. Yeah he told them to put away their pagan wives because they might bring pagan ideas into the land like Ezra/Nehemiah hypocritically did with their introduction of Persian dualism in Judaism.

Read it again.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Austria-Hungary and Russia.

No. Russia didn't enter the war until August 1914 and they were on the side of the Allies.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Read it again.

I would rather read Friedman's book about it than read that again.

 

[Shad]

No. Russia didn't enter the war until August 1914 and they were on the side of the Allies.

Nope. Look up the Serbia/Russian treaty and its ultimatum to A/H. The war started over Serbia. Everyone else got involved due to the silly treaty system at the time.

You are conflating entering the war with the cause of the conflict.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Nope. Look up the Serbia/Russian treaty and its ultimatum to A/H. The war started over Serbia. Everyone else got involved due to the silly treaty system at the time.

You are conflating entering the war with the cause of the conflict.

Timeline of World War I - Wikipedia

 

[sooda]

I would rather read Friedman's book about it than read that again.

The Samaritan Jews were mixed blood Just as the Jews were.. the problem was envy because the Judeans were impoverished.

 

[Shad]

Timeline of World War I - Wikipedia

Same mistake as before. You are ignoring the background involving Serbia and Russia. Read your own link.

Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand - Wikipedia
Causes of World War I - Wikipedia

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Same mistake as before. You are ignoring the background involving Serbia and Russia. Read your own link.

Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand - Wikipedia
Causes of World War I - Wikipedia

Russia did not enter the war until Germany declared war on them

 

[Shad]

A far right wing Dutch politician proposes a truly radical solution to the Israeli-Palestinian problem. His proposed solution is to rename Jordan to Palestine and move all the Palestinian residents of the West Bank (Samaria and Judea) there.

'Transfer all of the Palestinians to Jordan'

This didn't work before. It isn't going to work now.

 

[Shad]

Russia did not enter the war until Germany declared war on them

Russia mobilized before Germany did. Germany asked Russia to stand down. Russia rejected it. Again all due to Serbia with it's relation between Russia and A/H. Russia was playing the game of the Great Powers by aligning with Serbia against the Central Powers.

Causes of World War I - Wikipedia

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Russia mobilized before Germany did. Germany asked Russia to stand down. Russia rejected it. Again all due to Serbia while its relation between Russia and A/H.

Yeah, Because Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia and was being hostile towards them

 

[Shad]

Yeah, Because Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia and was being hostile towards them

After an assassination.

Lets not pretend any of the Great Powers at the time were some benevolent group looking out for the interests of the oppressed. Especially Tsarist Russia. The alliance Russia had with the West is why the whole planet was dragged into a war over crumbling Serbia.

 

[Gnostic Ambivalence]

Interesting. Who is that? I thought the Jews controlled Palestine.

The UK invaded Palestine in 1917 in order to facilitate a Settler colonial state for European Jews. Zionist colonialism arose out of the failure of Eastern European Jewry to deal with capitalist modernity and increased rights and opportunities in brought the Christian peasantry there which either undermined or removed the largely oppressive and parasitic roles Jews had formerly held. If the United States had not shut to the door to mass Jewish immigration in 1924 than Zionist colonialism would probably have gotten no where.

 

[Gnostic Ambivalence]

Oh, and you completely overlook the fact that many of the Arabs claiming to be “Palestinian” themselves migrated from other countries. Many flocked there after Jewish settlers (not “invaders”) drained swamps and made the land habitable. Even Yasser Arafat himself was born in Cairo, Egypt.

This old lie that Zionist colonists and there supporters tell themselves in order that they can ease whatever is left of their consciences. From the first so-called Aliyah in the late 19 th century the colonists were pushing by various means, often through violent intimidation, the indigenous population out of the country forcing many to emigrate in order to feed their families. The whole point about "Hebrew Labour" was a policy of the Jewish colonists not to employ any indigenous workers unless it could be helped, in part because early Zionism saw Jews as being deeply immoral and parasitic and Zionism was going to morally redeem them by teaching them to work "normally". The whole thing about draining swamps is largely fantasy however the ecological destruction caused to Palestine by the colonial project is very real.