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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Amanaki, Dec 26, 2018.

  1. Shantanu

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    I am sorry Luis, please can you explain this a bit?
     
  2. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Faith is a personal matter. It has no business attempting to be "proven". If you feel motivated by it, then it must be real. If you do not, then it does not exist. It can't even be "false", let alone "true".

    Someone who claims to have proof of his faith is just confused about the role of faith, and attempting to convince others in all the wrong ways, for all the wrong reasons.
     
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    From the viewpoint of the Absolute reality that is true, but for a being who is still stuck in the illusion of dualism, this relative dualistic world feels very real and should not be denied nor neglected. So the manifested world is still a reality in its own right, even though it is only a relative reality that does not last.
     
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  4. Shantanu

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    That is true: one does things in faith that God is protecting one in one's actions when one has surrendered to God. Eventually this only proves that Truth rather than God is what one should have faith in because Truth is a higher attribute higher than whatever God can bring upon one.
     
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    I don't think that Buddha rejected all of the Vedas, he just rejected their collective absolute (unquestionable) authority.
    And if that supposedly makes one a non-Hindu, then I am proud of that because dogmatically accepting the authority of collected or compiled scriptures goes against reason and sound spirituality.
    Defining what makes for a Hindu is as interesting as defining what makes for a Christian.
     
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    Buddha was on to something quite different from anything contained in the Vedas so created a distinct faith of Buddhism. Hinduism is vast and every aspect of it defines the essence of spirituality because it provides the factual backbone to individual Realisation.
     
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    Sorry about the typos. That should have been "you don't need faith to know your own mind."

    Regardless, if that's not what you meant, then I have no idea what you mean by "faith in atheism" or "you don't need to have faith in atheism."
     
  9. Windwalker

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    That is what nonduality actually teaches. Many call monism, that only the transcendent is reality, to be "nonduality", but it technically is not. Monism is a form of subtle duality, which is stating that "this" is real and "that" is not. It divides.

    True nonduality recognizes fully that the material world is reality too. "Emptiness is not other than form. Form is not other than Emptiness." From the nondual perspective, the manifest world is reality as well. Nonduality is paradoxical, nonlinear, as opposed to linear.
     
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    God is unknowable by the human intellect. That is not the same as saying one cannot apprehend God. Certainty we can. But we cannot fathom the infinite with our minds. That is what is meant by Unknowable. The same is suggest in the word Ineffable. or the Mystery. It is beyond words, beyond comprehension.
     
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    There is no harm in trying to contact God in a bid to clarify His position, is there? - I tried my best and failed.
     
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    No, I was not trying to be funny.
    I do not know what you mean by what you said.
     
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    How is faith proof of anything?
    Why does wanting evidence suggest a flaw?
     
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    The simplest way I can put it is that you do not have to have faith in something that is not a belief. Atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of belief.

    I do not have to have faith that I will not have an accident on the way to the store if I do not believe I will not have an accident on the way to the store.
     
  15. LuisDantas

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    I am pointing out that faith at its best is a sublime motivation and understanding.

    Belief in God is, to the best of my understanding, actually quite unrelated to faith.
     
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    Because faith is not about believing in the "right" or the "right number" of gods, but rather about nurturing moral courage and motivation.
     
  17. Jainarayan

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    I didn’t say he rejected them in their entirety. But he may as well have. The Upanishads deal extensively with the Ātman, Self, Brahman. The Upanishads are unquestionably part of the Vedas. Those are things he rejected.
     
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    Faith in what?
    Are you comparing faith in God to belief in God?
    Or are you talking about faith in general?
     
  19. Trailblazer

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    Oh, now I see and I agree, faith is better than belief.
    Belief is meaningless if it is devoid of moral courage and motivation.
     
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    Any action that causes unnecessary suffering for sentient beings is defined as immoral. That's a clear cut criteria for determining what is or is not moral.
     
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