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Religious Groups that give your religion a bad name.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Theweirdtophat, Oct 1, 2015.

  1. Demonslayer

    Demonslayer Well-Known Member

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    The Westboro Baptist Church is the most obvious one to me...though Christianity is not my religion so I'm just providing an example of a group that makes the Christian religion look bad. Most Chrisitans aren't insane bigots who force their children to hold disgusting signs on street corners, and protest American soldiers funerals because they think God is killing our soldiers because of America's tolerance of homosexuality.

    Most Christians I know hate the WBC because of how it makes their religion look.
     
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  2. Jainarayan

    Jainarayan ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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    • Neo-Nazis.
    • Prison-yard Odinists.
    • People who watch 'Vikings', wear a hammer and go around "singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!"
     
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  3. Robert.Evans

    Robert.Evans You will be assimilated; it is His Will.

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    Bad thing have been done on both sides.
    But a large part of the world are believers, a few billion. I think if they were all bad and all fighting, the world would be a different place! But they aren't. It is easy to think they are when we look at the media and then stereotype. Most religious people are peaceable.
     
  4. Revoltingest

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    There's one large difference.....
    When Xians commit sins which prohibited by the Bible, they know they're doing wrong, & that they offend their god.
    When atheists commit sins, we often don't even think we're doing anything wrong.
    But if we do something we believe to be wrong, we're not offending a supreme being who could condemn us to an eternity of torment.

    We can be as good or evil as Xians, but the latter owns hypocrisy.
     
  5. Theweirdtophat

    Theweirdtophat Well-Known Member

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    Than why make a post in the first place? Do you read what you type or does it not matter to you? In any case don't make posts if you think they are a joke.
     
  6. Quintessence

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    Considering the post I made suggested nothing of the sort, it is very interesting that this is how you chose to interpret what I said.
     
  7. Theweirdtophat

    Theweirdtophat Well-Known Member

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    Then what were you suggesting? I get it. Each person and what they do is a reflection on their faith, but if that was the case, why do you see numerous others hating on Muslims for what Muslim terrorists do? If lots of people look at others as individuals, why are there people lumping them into the same group and acting as if they are one and the same when they clearly are not?

    That was kind of my point. Say for instance that there's a corrupt group of Druidic Witches running amok. Your faith and how you practice it will be different to them and pretty much everyone else but that's not going to stop people taking a second glance on you, isn't it? Just because you happen to have the same or similar label despite how different you practice your faith.
     
  8. Quintessence

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    It was mostly a sideways comment that yes, there are specific individuals I think that are terrible representatives of various groups, but that it is poor form for me to start naming names and I don't think that should be the story that comes out of this thread anyway. On the whole, I'm suggesting we do less judging and more listening, whether we're talking groups or individuals. This whole idea of there being "corrupt" and "pure" religions is a value judgement that we impose onto others. What is the purpose of that? What outcome does it serve?

    As an aside, there is no group of "Druidic Witches."
    I mean what I said that my path is a religion of one. I don't think me running amok qualifies as a group.
     
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  9. Theweirdtophat

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    Really the whole thing is about pointing out which groups that are clearly corrupt and revel in it. We know which groups are out there, and some people like to lump the ones who practice their religion and are good people and not use the faith as an excuse to harm others into the groups that do harm others physically and mentally. It's just a shame to see that considering they are poor representatives. Of course we should judge less and listen more and that goes without saying.

    No there is no group of Druidic Witches "on paper" anyway. But who knows there might be a secretive group like that, that meets in caves or other places. It's not likely but the idea isn't impossible. And of course you aren't the only Druidic Witch on the entire planet either. There is always a chance someone out there shares the same title, yet does the opposite of what you do.
     
  10. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    A person's beliefs are their own; since a religion is a community of shared belief, there's no such thing as a one-person religion.

    And when a religion proclaims its beliefs and values, and an individual stands up and says "yes - that's me. I want to be part of that", that is individual behaviour that relates the group and what it stands for to the individual believer.

    Even morseo when the individual believer gives support (material or not) to it: "oh, no - I don't support that aspect of my religion. That's extremism; it doesn't reflect me. Just ignore the fact that I help to fund it with my tithes and pledge my support every week for the religious leader who sanctions it."
     
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    I don't think the groups that "revel" in what they are feel that they are corrupt, though. That's something we are projecting onto them. I guess I ask the question again - what purpose does this finger-pointing serve? Are there other ways to accomplish that same objective that may be more in keeping with your ideals?
    Not questions for me to answer for you or anyone else, of course. Just something to mull over.



    Unfortunately, it seems these things can't go without saying. There is more than enough bigotry and prejudice in the human world to be indicative of that. :(



    Sure, but I view this as analogous to people sharing the same first name or something. If two people happen to share the same name, there should be no expectation of them being similar persons. Though oddly, there are people who judge people on such bases ("I've never met an X that I liked!"). :sweat:


    I'm not going to argue this point at length, but it should be rather apparent from previous posts in this thread that I disagree with this assertion (along with this notion that "belief" is central, but that's probably neither here nor there). An important distinction can (and should) be made between individual identity and group identity, whether we're talking religion or any other aspect of personal and cultural identity. Being social animals, humans usually have both of these identities, but not always. And, to a strong extent, notions of identity are all constructs; where we draw the lines is arbitrary.
     
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    Awww...Demonslayer, I think you just took the words out of my mouth.
     
  13. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    There are a number of groups that misrepresent Zen practices quite well.

    SGI, Osho, Numerous New Age caf'e type groups that promote Zen as a type of trendy marketable fad etc.
     
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  14. Augustus

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    For vastly different reasons, "new" Atheists and communists have given atheism a bad name. Atheism and communism are almost synonymous in some parts of the world (as in many people perceive them to be synonymous).

    I stopped using the word atheist to describe myself due to Dawkins et al though.
     
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    I think it's easier for religions with lots of dogma to be corrupted, since taking a law and twisting it, disregarding it or taking it to a literal extreme would be easy to spot. Paganism tends not to have much in the way of dogma, so it would be somewhat harder to distort.
     
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    ISIS is a group that fits in this category, but there are individuals with certain beliefs that I believe give Islam and Muslims a bad name. Some Muslims seek refuge and help from dead humans and some others cover themselves in feces and urine of religious people, cut them selves violently in huge masses in public as religious rituals.
     
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