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Featured religious beliefs but no ideology?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Eddi, Jan 22, 2021.

  1. Eddi

    Eddi reformed crackpot

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    Question: Is it possible to have religious beliefs but no political ideology?

    I think it is

    I don't identify with any political ideology and am more defined by my religious beliefs

    I used to be a very political person who was not in the slightest bit religious but not any more, since then I've changed and became very religious but not at all political

    And by "ideology" I mean a specific, explicit political belief system or world view to which you are comitted to by both heart and mind
     
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  2. Jayhawker Soule

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    Do you think it possible to have no political ideology?
     
  3. Eddi

    Eddi reformed crackpot

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    I think it is possible to have no explicit ideological commitments, yes
     
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  4. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    I think it is possible not to have a political ideology by default.
    I mean, I have a very apolitical vision of economy.
    That is, in order to make an economy work properly, supply-side-economics are needed (which are traditionally right-wing) but also welfare policies are needed (which are traditionally left-wing).
    So...
    I agree with the politician who has the solution at the right time. Regardless of their party.
     
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    I'd hope so. I've always thought Jesus was non-political. Obey laws so as not to cause issues for your fellow believers however not involve yourself in earthly politics as your access to Heaven should be your only real concern. Seems most Christians don't buy into this but whatever.
     
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    JW's don't participate in politics at all so they are proof that it is possible.
     
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    I don't - religious beliefs invariably map on to political beliefs. Especially considering the only distinction between the two is convention (aka, us calling something "religious" or "political").
     
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  8. Estro Felino

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    They are intertwined of course.
    That is why I underlined (in a recent thread of yours) how politics perverted religion with the edict of Thessalonica, when Theodosius outlawed polytheisms. It happened and it can happen.
    It is natural to side with politicians who defend all religions and all ideologies.
     
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    Which, of course, is not what I asked.
     
  10. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Reminds me of Gandhi's comment that if anyone believes there can be a complete separation of "church and state" that they don't much understand "church". I'll also add that they don't much understand "state" either.

    Religions teach their version of what is moral v immoral, thus it's logical that a thinking person would have his/her politics influenced by what they believe religiously.
     
  11. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Politics is about power and rule of law for the common good. Religious beliefs is about eternal fate and destiny, love, charity, higher powers of true justice and authority.

    Any worthwhile religion will have a political ideology. But ideals are not reality. In reality we have to fight human nature towards corruption and self interest over common good.

    It's entirely possible that religion would want to keep itself separate from politics and pursue divine justice separately. I think the best religions do that. The worst religious institutions want to be heavily involved with politics.
     
  12. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    Yes I think that is possible.

    Regards Tony
     
  13. Orbit

    Orbit I'm a planet

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    There are those who would say that everyone has a political ideology, and those that say they don't are really saying that they're ok with existing political arrangements--and that's a political position.,
     
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    I also don’t identify with any political ideology, but I strongly oppose political ideologies that are against freedom of people. And it is sad that world seems to be nowadays more than ever ruled by people who are against freedom of people.
     
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    Religion/spirituality can be a world view to which one is committed.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    And yet you have supported Trump. Tell us, did you support Trump's decision to put children into cages for exclusively partisan reasons in order to "send a message", as he repeatedly admitted why he was doing it?

    Do you remember this: ... but Jesus said, "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven."-- Matt. 19[14]?
     
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    By what I know, it was practice from Obama regime. I think Trump should have ended it.
     
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    Nice try, but maybe do some research on that because the motivations of both he and Trump were very different.

    Federal law prohibits putting a child into jail or prison with his/her parents, with rare exceptions, such as breastfeeding allowed through a judge's decision. Thus, during Obama's presidency, the average length of stay was only 6 days as it sometimes took a while to find a relative, and if they couldn't then they had to find a temporary caretaker. The only other option was to release the child onto the streets, and that certainly is not acceptable.

    OTOH, the Trump administration did this intentionally, and by the thousands, in order to "send a message", thus the motivation was not at all the same. And what we saw even just several months ago is that several hundred of those children still weren't reunited with any relative.

    In a court of law, intent is very important, thus the intent of these two administrations was very different.
     
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    For me it is difficult to know how things really are in there. But, if we both agree that it is wrong, shouldn’t Biden do everything to end it? Is he going to end it? What it means?
     
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    It already has been ended as political pressure was put in Trump & Co to stop it, thus they did. However, around 500 were not reunited with their families.

    And I'm very confident that Biden wouldn't do such a thing as he spoke out against it when Trump first did it.
     
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