sandandfoam
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How do you know that your religion (or lack of) is not an unconscious 'defence mechanism'?
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If something's an "unconscious" thing, doesn't that mean by definition that we wouldn't know even if it was?How do you know that your religion (or lack of) is not an unconscious 'defence mechanism'?
If something's an "unconscious" thing, doesn't that mean by definition that we wouldn't know even if it was?
Religions are usually indeed defence mechanisms agains the unease of not knowing one's place in the overall scheme of things.
It does not follow that they are wrong or illusory, of course.
Something tells me mine may be, or how my curiousity began. That is a story for another day, or a completely different forum. I guess I lost faith in someone being there for me a long long time ago...............How do you know that your religion (or lack of) is not an unconscious 'defence mechanism'?
How would you logically get to "no religion" as a defense mechanism? I can't quite parse the thought process here.Why not 'no religions' too?
How do you know that your religion (or lack of) is not an unconscious 'defence mechanism'?
But how would that work? "Defense mechanism" implies, well, defense. What would "no religion" defend a person against?Why not 'no religions' too?
How would you logically get to "no religion" as a defense mechanism? I can't quite parse the thought process here.
I think religion usually fits that bill better than irreligion: "the universe all unfolds according to the grand plan of an all-powerful creator entity... and he's my best buddy."Would not an unconscious defence against religion facilitate one driven to find their world stable, predictable and controllable?
How do you know that your religion (or lack of) is not an unconscious 'defence mechanism'?
I think everyone can claim to know reality because reality is everything that happens now, regardless of your or my limited time and location, that is reality unrolling itself now. Perhaps a topic for a new post.That's how I see it. But I don't claim to know reality.
I think religion usually fits that bill better than irreligion: "the universe all unfolds according to the grand plan of an all-powerful creator entity... and he's my best buddy."
Why not 'no religions' too?
But isn't it interesting that you think those holding your own views are less likely to be prey to unconscious defences than those holding opposing views?
I guess, but I just don't see how that leads a person to irreligion.Perhaps. But of course the universe unfolding with observble measurable 'laws' of nature wouldn't be bad either.
Well, of course. I know I'm rational, so everyone who thinks like me must be rational as well. It's all those other people who are deluded fools.But isn't it interesting that you think those holding your own views are less likely to be prey to unconscious defences than those holding opposing views?
I agree with 9-10ths_Penguin. I do not recognise any unconscious or subconscious. Even it it did exist it would not imply knowing that makes it conscious. Best to focus on what we do know i.e. consciousness of sense perception and knowledge.
I think everyone can claim to know reality because reality is everything that happens now, regardless of your or my limited time and location, that is reality unrolling itself now. Perhaps a topic for a new post.
I think you come to the conclusion that you don't or won't claim to know reality is because you doubt also unconsciousness (or subconsciousness) in your OP. I am not attacking you my friend, but trying to point out that doubt leads to further doubt. Isn't it better to just take what you do know as the foundation of any premises? Should the OP be "Is your religion a defence mechanism in your life?"
Just playing with ideas
"Not using neckties" is my defense against getting myself caught in moving machinery."No religions" has no more attributes than "no anything else", so it is possible yet pointless to think it possible of anything. "Not using neckties" might conceivably be a defense as well, for instance. But there is little for such an exercise.
Well, of course. I know I'm rational, so everyone who thinks like me must be rational as well. It's all those other people who are deluded fools.