Real vs fictious divinity

[questfortruth]

There are several million gods on the planet. In what sense "there are no gods"? Are they not real? In what sense are they not real? Describe then what the Real God should be.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

There are several million gods on the planet. In what sense "there are no gods"? Are they not real? In what sense are they not real? Describe then what the Real God should be.
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Start by figuring out how the word "real" works.

 

[questfortruth]

Start by figuring out how the word "real" works.

I hate to work for somebody. Do your ideas yourself, and report the results.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I hate to work for somebody. Do your ideas yourself, and report the results.

Okay, the word "real" is in the mind as a subjective evaluation and it has no objective referent. You can't see it and it has no non-mental properties.

 

[questfortruth]

Okay, the word "real" is in the mind as a subjective evaluation and it has no objective referent. You can't see it and it has no non-mental properties.

You claim, that there is no objective reality. Is it your subjective opinion?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You claim, that there is no objective reality. Is it your subjective opinion?

No, I claim that reality can't be reduced down to either being only objective or only subjective.

This has nothing to do with you or me in particular nor religion or not. Rather there are relevant to the ways of approaching right/true/proof and so on at least 2 ways of doing it: Yours where there is one truth and mine, where there are several different ones, that doesn't add up to one truth.

So if you in effect claim a subjective truth to you as objective for us all, I just do my subjective truth, which is different than yours. That is all. In effect if you e.g. claim everything is X and X is subjective, I figure that out by testing if I can do non-X.

 

[questfortruth]

there is one truth and mine, where there are several different ones, that doesn't add up to one truth.

So, you are a polytheist. No more information needed. The number of truths equals the number of Gods.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

So, you are a polytheist. No more information needed.

No, I am an atheist. See, I tested it and figured out that I can do it differently than being a polytheist.

 

[questfortruth]

No, I am an atheist.

Day before you were a satanist, do you remember? We talked just day before.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Day before you were a satanist, do you remember? We talked just day before.

No, I am a Satanist to you. To you is subjective. To me I am not a Satanist, I am a lot of things, but not religious as a Satanist.

 

[questfortruth]

I am a Satanist to you.

Then you are not an atheist to me.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Then you are not an atheist to me.

Correct, but that doesn't tell you what I am to me.

 

[questfortruth]

Correct, but that doesn't tell you what I am to me.

You are a nice, well-meaning person to you, don't you? At least you are not so cruel as Neo-Nazies are.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Correct, but that doesn't tell you what I am to me.

Only you know who you are, and what you can be tomorrow. People can "judge" you from what you say or do. But we can not tell you who you are

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You are a nice, well-meaning person to you, don't you? At least you are not so cruel as Neo-Nazies are.

Likewise for you. You are not as cruel as more cruel than others.

Edited for meaning error.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There are several million gods on the planet.

Several million claimed gods on the planet.

In what sense "there are no gods"? Are they not real? In what sense are they not real?

Just because a thing is claimed to be real, doesn't mean it actually is real.

Describe then what the Real God should be

You can start with an entity that can be shown to be real outside of people's heads.
We'll even leave the "god powers" aside for a second.

 

[questfortruth]

You can start with an entity that can be shown to be real outside of people's heads.

The statue of the god Shiva in CERN is a real thing. You can even touch that god. How is it not real?

WHY DOES CERN HAVE A STATUE OF LORD SHIVA - Physics only

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Several million claimed gods on the planet.

Just because a thing is claimed to be real, doesn't mean it actually is real.
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You can start with an entity that can be shown to be real outside of people's heads.
We'll even leave the "god powers" aside for a second.

That is apparently not possible, because you know through your mind. Nobody in recorded history have solved that one. To know something independent of the mind seems not possible because you know dependent on that knowing happens in your mind.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The statue of the god Shiva in CERN is a real thing. You can even touch that god. How is it not real?

WHY DOES CERN HAVE A STATUE OF LORD SHIVA - Physics only

It's a statue.

 

[SalixIncendium]

It's a statue.

But it's a real statue.