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"Real Housewives" star has new book that advocates marital rape

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
A garbage reality TV show of the lowest class.

My thoughts too, baby. :) (Where are the ghosts?)

If you pulled a "Joe" in the bedroom, your *** would be quickly kicked if I wasn't into it.

It's not exactly rape, if Melissa allows this type of behavior and then goes on to allow a book to written about it. Clearly, there isn't but so much dissention between the two, if they're openly discussing their marriage, sex life and almost comical gender role concerns, with the public.

I think they both have rather inflated egos and I don't envy either of them. I don't particularly construe this as a genuine advocation for marital rape. I construe this moreso as a man with a very high opinion of himself attempting to share his wisdom as to what women want and need. Melissa clearly enjoys Joe's "doting" and masculinity or she wouldn't feed into it and play this role.

I think any person with intelligence can draw their own conclusions and apply what's "right" and honorable to their own relationship. We each have to be firm in our relationships as to what does and doesn't work.

People who air their laundry like this, dirty or otherwise, aren't very credible, in my opinion.
 
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Me Myself

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I am honestly not sure what the context is when ripping of someones cloths after a no is acceptable. Perhaps in role playing, but thats far from the general case.

Ripping someons clothe off after a no in a context that is not roleplaying, I wouldnt know.

Gentle physical persuasion with someone with which you are already in a sexual relationship on the other hand can be completely okay.

The verbal part of communication is minimal in comparison with other factors anyways. The tone of a no does tell you if it can be persuaded and the context of the relationship which methods of persuasion are acceptable.
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
He also commented on the talk show Bethenny when she asked does Mellissa really never refuse you ..he said 'No not really.Sometimes she fights it but I always win."

Excuse me? 'Fighting " her into sex?And obviously since he already admitted to if she says no "turning her around and ripping her clothes off" he is including physical "fighting".

She also described some of the reasons she has 'maintenance" sex..and frequent sex..

In the beginning, Joe wanted to have sex every single day, at least once, if not twice or three times…If I didn't give it to him once a day, he'd get upset.

I can do something that ****** him off on a Monday, but if we had sex on Sunday night, it blows over more easily. But if we haven't done it for two days and I give him attitude? It could be a huge fight.

Excuse me? She has sex with him or "else" .Hes a bully.He exibits hostility towards her for not having sex with him every single day.

Again he doesn't just yell either.He has thrown a high chair across the room and a chair in a restaurant.

That's a healthy dynamic that you promote for healthy marital sex?

Oh she also doesn't mind being called his puttata?(sp) I think its Italian for whore.Not because she is taking ownership back of that word..but so he doesn't go sleep with a real whore.

Oh that's real ideal ...thanks for the tips.

Yes we have a wonderful vibrant sex life..Im the wife..its my duty to have sex with him whenever HE wants to even if I don't. To help manage his rage ,and if I don't want him to rip my clothes off,and to keep him from banging a real whore.

Can't you feel the love and respect?

Oh and also she must initiate I guess in between him 'throwing her down' ...He commented because he might be tempted even by an 'ugly" woman coming on to him and just go for it. If he is not feeling that at home.

And did you read the part about on top of all this ..she 'has to be home" when he gets home because he doesn't like coming home to an empty house? She has to wait til he is not around to poop? He can ever know that she pooping let alone ever smell it.She has to stay by his side when they go out to party ..she cant hang out with her single girlfriends..shes not allowed to work and of course she has to keep in shape and keep him in mind when she decides what to wear ...

Its twisted...Oh she can "take it" that he vents his anger on her about his rough day.AND she calls it "honesty" and some sort of compliment that he knows she secure that he can be brutally honest with his complaints about her.

The woman has Stockholm syndrome if you ask me...

I say to each his own. BUT expect to be ridiculed that you ever "recommend" women enter into a relationship with these abusive oppressive dynamics. Or that a married woman looking for "tips" would be doing good to take the advice to "give in" to coerced sex under fear of verbal abuse and possibly physical..and in general be told what to by your husband "or else".

How do they not think that many aren't going to look at them like they are crazy for holding their marriage up as an example of a "good" marriage?The only ones I can imagine that would give a nod of approval are the misogynist /radical extreme religious that most women want to escape unless they are brain washed.This is a book about what NOT to do.
 
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DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Ripping someons clothe off after a no in a context that is not roleplaying, I wouldnt know.

There was no mention that this was 'consentual" let alone 'kink' .If that's what he meant?He forgot to mention it.It was what he does if she says no.Even women commentors that are into that kind of stuff and D/s folks said this sounds like rape.Not spice.
 

DallasApple

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The fact too he said EVERY WOMAN wants that.Thats a lie.Not to mention the D/s people pointed out that some MEN enjoy being in the submissive role.IF you are talking about the fettish .He is sreading the myth that all women want to be dominated whether they admit it or not.Like don't even bother to ask her he knows she wants that.
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Melissa clearly enjoys Joe's "doting" and masculinity or she wouldn't feed into it and play this role.

Many abused women play into the role .I just cant twist my mind that any woman would "enjoy" having to hold in their bowel movements for the entire marriage if the husband is in close proximity and he might "know" she in the bathroom pooping or God forbid get whiff of it..The assumption being he might not view her as sexy or attractive after that.

What happens if she gets sick and has horrible diharea and has to relieve herself every hour ? Does she have to go on vacation or stay with a friend until its over?Is she allowed to vomit if she gets the stomach flu?
 

Me Myself

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There was no mention that this was 'consentual" let alone 'kink' .If that's what he meant?He forgot to mention it.It was what he does if she says no.Even women commentors that are into that kind of stuff and D/s folks said this sounds like rape.Not spice.

As I said before, I find his phrasing problematic. I dont know how seriously or literally he expected it to be taken, and thats precisely why I dont like it.
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Quote:
Men, I know you think your woman isn't the type who wants to be taken. But trust me, she is. Every girl wants to get her hair pulled once in a while. If your wife says "no," turn her around, and rip her clothes off. She wants to be dominated.

Women don't realize how easy men are. Just give us what we want.

Not only what you said Mystic but if its what every woman wants then why is it her giving him what he wants when he does this do her?Because its not what she wants hes "taking " what he wants when she wont "give it'.

And no its not "easy" to give an entitled demanding brute ,who does not seem to consider what you want EVERYTHING he wants whenever he wants it.

How about this ..."women are easy ..just give her what she wants..including if she wants to NOT HAVE SEX with you whenever you want".
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Human beings are not easy xD

Exactly its a ridiculous statement..Including some humans are more difficult than others and he is an example of one.:D

Not to mention not all "men' want the same thing.Including not all men have an angry meltdown if they don't get to have sex every single time they feel like it everyday.
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
Many abused women play into the role .I just cant twist my mind that any woman would "enjoy" having to hold in their bowel movements for the entire marriage if the husband is in close proximity and he might "know" she in the bathroom pooping or God forbid get whiff of it..The assumption being he might not view her as sexy or attractive after that.

What happens if she gets sick and has horrible diharea and has to relieve herself every hour ? Does she have to go on vacation or stay with a friend until its over?Is she allowed to vomit if she gets the stomach flu?

How the hell am I supposed to know and why the hell should I care, Dallas? Joe and Melissa are not people that I can relate to and I'm cautious to label Melissa an "abused" woman.
 

Me Myself

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Exactly its a ridiculous statement..Including some humans are more difficult than others and he is an example of one.:D

Not to mention not all "men' want the same thing.Including not all men have an angry meltdown if they don't get to have sex every single time they feel like it everyday.

Absolutely.
 

Me Myself

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How the hell am I supposed to know and why the hell should I care, Dallas? Joe and Melissa are not people that I can relate to and I'm cautious to label Melissa an "abused" woman.

Thats very fair too.

I do must say that for the excerpts provided at least, I think the book is a terrible idea of an advice book and it can get pretty messy for misguided people using it to actually guide themselves to a better marriage without better judgement when it comes to a literal interpretation of some things it says.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
This is why liberals annoy me "well erm some people like it and you know how progressive I am when it comes to freedom"
He is promoting rape, that is how he views women in general. And women are socialised to be submissive anyway, so how is this progressive for us? Please

Seriously, you really think it's the common stance among liberals to to defend marital rape?

That aside, I doubt there are many people who take these reality tv cretins seriously.
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Seriously, you really think it's the common stance among liberals to to defend marital rape?

In my experience? Its conservatives who are more likely to be "rapey".Religious conservatives specifically..Specifically Christians the ones (not all please) that follow the "complimentarian" (they call the Biblical) model of marriage.They combine several verses to make a whole "marriage model" ..The wife submits to the husband "in all things" ...Paul's advice its better to get married than to burn with lust...the husband is the 'head" then the final but most important..the wife is not the authority of her own body her husband is and vice versa..and "do not defraud one another' ..lest you be tempted to sin.But for mutual agreement for prayer and fasting.

O.K Im paraphrasing..but taken literally and IGNORING context??????

It REVERSES consent..My body does NOT belong to ME anymore (specifically "for sex") it belongs to my husband..Hes "entitled" to sex with me without question..I need his CONSENT to not have sex with him.Its not even like he has the right to demand Im monogomous with him..

Seriously...I would have to ask for his "consent" for ME to not have sex him.Would you please grant me "permission" to not have sex tonight?????Then he gets to decide whether I do or don't?

Im mean HELLO they are out there I have met them..and its not just these two making money off the freak show.

It twist my mind around in circles.
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
How the hell am I supposed to know and why the hell should I care, Dallas?

I don't know..why do you care enough to post your opinion so far?If you don't care why not act like it Dawny ? You joined the debate.If you don't care don't join the debate then say "why the hell should I care"....
 
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