Quran 3:7

[InvestigateTruth]

Quran 3:7 states, some of the verses of Quran are clear, and some of them are unclear or ambiguous (mutishabihat).

1. Quran has more than 6000 verses. Show only 10 verses which are Mutishabihat, and prove how you can tell.

2. Verse 3:7 states, those whose hearts are evil, will follow the unclear verses, seeking to interpret them. Show how this ever happened, by giving examples of some people who had a bad heart, who interpreted unclear verses.

3. Same verse states, no one knows their interpretations except God, and those who are well-grounded in knowledge. What is the purpose of God to include such unclear verses?

 

[Salvador]

Quran 3:7 states, some of the verses of Quran are clear, and some of them are unclear or ambiguous (mutishabihat).

1. Quran has more than 6000 verses. Show only 10 verses which are Mutishabihat, and prove how you can tell.

2. Verse 3:7 states, those whose hearts are evil, will follow the unclear verses, seeking to interpret them. Show how this ever happened, by giving examples of some people who had a bad heart, who interpreted unclear verses.

3. Same verse states, no one knows their interpretations except God, and those who are well-grounded in knowledge. What is the purpose of God to include such unclear verses?

There is indeed a mark of extraterrestrial intelligence left in our genetic code as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 37 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded.

"It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding."

 

[InvestigateTruth]

There is indeed a mark of extraterrestrial intelligence left in our genetic code as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 37 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded.

"It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding."

Yes, and our body temperature is 37 degree Celsius, but how are these related to the 3 questions in OP?

 

[Salvador]

Yes, and our body temperature is 37 degree Celsius, but how are these related to the 3 questions in OP?

There's a message of "37" embedded in our genetic code, that strikes me as being rather quite peculiar.

Makukov and sCherbak make a compelling case that mathematical patterns involving multiples of 37 appear in our genetic coding as a result of something other than natural selection. Besides me, this message of "37" embedded in our genetic code invented by our genetic code's Creator has been conveyed to Vladimir shCherbak, Maxim A. Makukov , Natasa Misic, Artem Novozhilov, , Eugene Koonin, Chris Davis, Craig Paardekooper.

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Icarus, 2013 February http://earth-chronicles.ru/Publications_12/35/64182102-1-s2.0-s0019103513000791-main.pdf

 

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Quran 3:7 states, some of the verses of Quran are clear, and some of them are unclear or ambiguous (mutishabihat).

1. Quran has more than 6000 verses. Show only 10 verses which are Mutishabihat, and prove how you can tell.

2. Verse 3:7 states, those whose hearts are evil, will follow the unclear verses, seeking to interpret them. Show how this ever happened, by giving examples of some people who had a bad heart, who interpreted unclear verses.

3. Same verse states, no one knows their interpretations except God, and those who are well-grounded in knowledge. What is the purpose of God to include such unclear verses?

The way I understand it says from the books comes clear signs - this the original book. And the other thing that comes from it is non-clear and those with evil hearts will follow unclear with intention of interpreting the book. This while as for the whole interpretation, no one knows it but God and Ahlulbayt.

Here clear signs doesn't mean verses. Sometimes to find a proof or clear sign regarding something, you need to think about themes in Quran. And those themes with respect to other themes.

An example of something unclear from Quran, is 4:59. The clear meaning is obeying the Ahlulbayt, the unclear is giving authority to the likes of Mauwiya and Yazeed. The Muslim nation despite it's clear contextual flow in the Surah and it's mini context with verses before and after and it's clear place in the Quran as a whole, follow unclear interpretation and blindness is chosen despite Quran being very clear.

Ahlulbayt (as) said they from the clear signs of Quran while their enemies are from the unclear.

So this is just an example. Another example, is 42:23. The meaning is clear, but people seek to confuse people regarding it and people are following their play games with language despite the meaning is clear and protected.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The way I understand it says from the books comes clear signs - this the original book. And the other thing that comes from it is non-clear and those with evil hearts will follow unclear with intention of interpreting the book. This while as for the whole interpretation, no one knows it but God and Ahlulbayt.

Here clear signs doesn't mean verses. Sometimes to find a proof or clear sign regarding something, you need to think about themes in Quran. And those themes with respect to other themes.

An example of something unclear from Quran, is 4:59. The clear meaning is obeying the Ahlulbayt, the unclear is giving authority to the likes of Mauwiya and Yazeed. The Muslim nation despite it's clear contextual flow in the Surah and it's mini context with verses before and after and it's clear place in the Quran as a whole, follow unclear interpretation and blindness is chosen despite Quran being very clear.

Ahlulbayt (as) said they from the clear signs of Quran while their enemies are from the unclear.

So this is just an example. Another example, is 42:23. The meaning is clear, but people seek to confuse people regarding it and people are following their play games with language despite the meaning is clear and protected.

So, no one knows interpretation of 42:23 except God and ahlulbyt? No one knows interpretation of 42:23 except God and Ahlulbey?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

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I think this link give good info about this:


Esoteric interpretation of the Quran - Wikipedia

 

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The whole Quran is all clear signs to Ahlulbayt. This is why another verses says "it's clear signs in the hearts of those given knowledge".

However 42:23 is a clear verse which if there is any doubt to, so many other verses about the subject that clarify it, that there should not be any doubt.

What is wrong is interpreting Quran to mean something that is unclear to you. However, proving things about Quran unclear to others through clear reasoning and clear proofs of it's context and other verses is a very good thing so long as the verses are clear to you.

What is wrong is building Quran on doubts and conjecture. Allah (swt) in 3:7 wants to guide humans, so is saying, there comes two things from God's book, clear signs and unclear aspects of it, which is a relative thing to each human. But he is letting us know the firmly rooted in knowledge know all of Quran, so they can clarify what is unclear to us. But, this is not so we follow hadiths blindly. Hadiths must be verified with Quran, and the way to do that is through reflecting. When you begin to let the Quran interpret itself through help of Ahlulbayt (as), what is unclear to you becomes evidently clear and the book begins to take on clarity of insights in a majestic manner.

This is the nature of it's guidance. On the other hand, if you go the Taghut regarding it, you will become blind to it's insights.

42:23 is clear to many and unclear to many. This is due to the nature of the tree of love and light and the tree of envy and evil.

 

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I think this link give good info about this:


Esoteric interpretation of the Quran - Wikipedia

Brother I'm not new at this and have studied various tafsirs on tafsirs.com.

I'm trying to make you see something important. Building on proofs and clear signs in Quran to build more clear signs is fine, and you can go deep as you want with that, so as long as you are following knowledge based on clear proofs.

But when a person build Quran interpretation on conjecture and without proof and wishful thinking, that person is termed by God as a hypocrite or a disbeliever.

 

[stvdv]

New Quran 3:7 states, some of the verses of Quran are clear, and some of them are unclear or ambiguous (mutishabihat).

My most favorite Koran verse

Same verse states, no one knows their interpretations except God, and those who are well-grounded in knowledge. What is the purpose of God to include such unclear verses?

Would be blasphemy to answer IMO

But if I were like "God" and create humans with the ability to improve their discrimination and common sense, I woukd definitely build in some unclear verses to test and make visible their improvement. I would as "God" even put in some errors to test people's Faith

What fun is a footbal game without 2 goals.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The whole Quran is all clear signs to Ahlulbayt. This is why another verses says "it's clear signs in the hearts of those given knowledge".

However 42:23 is a clear verse which if there is any doubt to, so many other verses about the subject that clarify it, that there should not be any doubt.

What is wrong is interpreting Quran to mean something that is unclear to you. However, proving things about Quran unclear to others through clear reasoning and clear proofs of it's context and other verses is a very good thing so long as the verses are clear to you.

What is wrong is building Quran on doubts and conjecture. Allah (swt) in 3:7 wants to guide humans, so is saying, there comes two things from God's book, clear signs and unclear aspects of it, which is a relative thing to each human. But he is letting us know the firmly rooted in knowledge know all of Quran, so they can clarify what is unclear to us. But, this is not so we follow hadiths blindly. Hadiths must be verified with Quran, and the way to do that is through reflecting. When you begin to let the Quran interpret itself through help of Ahlulbayt (as), what is unclear to you becomes evidently clear and the book begins to take on clarity of insights in a majestic manner.

This is the nature of it's guidance. On the other hand, if you go the Taghut regarding it, you will become blind to it's insights.

42:23 is clear to many and unclear to many. This is due to the nature of the tree of love and light and the tree of envy and evil.

How did you know 3:7 is about clear and unclear signs, rather than clear and unclear verses?
You should see how your shia Imams an Muhammad explained 3:7. You should quote an authentic Hadith from them regarding this verse, so that you can demonstrate the validity of your points. How did you think Islam became 73 sects? It happened when people interpreted Quran based on their own ideas rather than to just follow the interpretations of Infallible Imams and Muhammad.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Brother I'm not new at this and have studied various tafsirs on tafsirs.com.

I'm trying to make you see something important. Building on proofs and clear signs in Quran to build more clear signs is fine, and you can go deep as you want with that, so as long as you are following knowledge based on clear proofs.

But when a person build Quran interpretation on conjecture and without proof and wishful thinking, that person is termed by God as a hypocrite or a disbeliever.

exactly. So, even to understand verse 3:7, we shouldn't build our understanding based on wishful thinking. We need to see how those who were well-grounded in knowledge understood this verse. For that you would need to research their hadithes. Usually requires knowing some arabic though, as most hadithes are not translated yet. But what matters, in 3:7, is the Taweel, not Tafseer that is the subject.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Quran 3:7 states, some of the verses of Quran are clear, and some of them are unclear or ambiguous (mutishabihat).

1. Quran has more than 6000 verses. Show only 10 verses which are Mutishabihat, and prove how you can tell.

2. Verse 3:7 states, those whose hearts are evil, will follow the unclear verses, seeking to interpret them. Show how this ever happened, by giving examples of some people who had a bad heart, who interpreted unclear verses.

3. Same verse states, no one knows their interpretations except God, and those who are well-grounded in knowledge. What is the purpose of God to include such unclear verses?

This verse sounds like an attempt yo make the quran unfalsifiable.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Was it Mohammad's attempt to paper some verses? Not all what Mohammad said is in Quran. Uthman had all other copies destroyed.

 

[Samael_Khan]

exactly. So, even to understand verse 3:7, we shouldn't build our understanding based on wishful thinking. We need to see how those who were well-grounded in knowledge understood this verse. For that you would need to research their hadithes. Usually requires knowing some arabic though, as most hadithes are not translated yet. But what matters, in 3:7, is the Taweel, not Tafseer that is the subject.

How does one know if a person is well grounded in knowledge?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

How does one know if a person is well grounded in knowledge?

The best explanations of other scriptures are the ones given by Gods Messenger and after them any appointed successor.

The Knowledge is the book, the interpretations we make, may be far from the intent. History has proved that is most likely the case.

Regards Tony

 

[Samael_Khan]

The best explanations of other scriptures are the ones given by Gods Messenger and after them any appointed successor.

The Knowledge is the book, the interpretations we make, may be far from the intent. History has proved that is most likely the case.

Regards Tony

What do you mean by Gods Messenger?

But what the writer says is the intent might not necessarily be his/her true intent.

For instance something can be written with a particular meaning originally, but if that original meaning causes trouble then the writer can just change the meaning at their whim.

Any appointed successor can twist those words to mean what they want it to mean so that they can control the group and make them conform to his wishes. There are quite a few cases in which this has been the case. It is good to examine the founders of modern religions and their interpretations of their text and how the religions have changed over time as influenced by succeeding appointed or unappointed successors.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

How does one know if a person is well grounded in knowledge?

Based on Traditions, Muhammad, and the 12 Imams after Him are the well grounded in knowledge the Quran is referring.
The Quran itself states God has given knowledge of the Book to People of the House, a term that according to traditions is Muhammad and the 12 imams. Sunni Muslims reject the 12 imams as the successors of Muhammad.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Based on Traditions, Muhammad, and the 12 Imams after Him are the well grounded in knowledge the Quran is referring.
The Quran itself states God has given knowledge of the Book to People of the House, a term that according to traditions is Muhammad and the 12 imams. Sunni Muslims reject the 12 imams as the successors of Muhammad.

Oh! OK. So you are approaching this from a Shia perspective?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Oh! OK. So you are approaching this from a Shia perspective?

Well, among all Muslims that ever lived, only the Shia Imams claimed that they are well grounded in knowledge. Even in Quran, some verses allude to Imam Ali as the One who knowledge of the Book is with Him. Other verses points to Muhammad, Hassan, Hussein and Fatima, which are even mentioned in Sunni traditions. So, no, I am not really approaching this from Shia perspective.
I am approaching it based on Quran and traditions which can be found in Shia or Sunni sources.

I am actually going to show some of the unclear verses, and how the Imams interpreted them, and why no one could possibly knew their interpretation to show what is verse 3:7 is all about.