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Question for Christians.
- Thread starter Bro Rando
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According to the Romans themselves, A. It's noteworthy that not one single ancient source describes Jesus as being crucified on a crux simplex, Christian or otherwise.
Instrument of Jesus' crucifixion - Wikipedia
Instrument of Jesus' crucifixion - Wikipedia
whirlingmerc
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Technically that is a prophesy of the ultimately RIGHTEOUS one (fitting of Jesus)
Psalm 34:20 shows Jesus was the ultimate in RIGHTEOUS since non of his bones were broken... the Romans did not break His legs in either case
Jesus had nails (plural) put through his hands (not wrists)
“If I don’t see the mark of the nails in His hands, put my finger into the mark of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will never believe!”” John 20:25 CSB
so A
Tumah
Veteran Member
Technically, it's not a prophecy at all.
Prophecies are not prognostications. That is superstition imposed upon Christianity I think. I also think that Psalm 34 is a song with many lyrics and lines, and it is not about bones but is about faithfulness. Consider the people it is written about who are under siege, afflicted, threatened and beaten; but they sing "Turn from evil and do good; seek peace and pursue it." That is what this is about.
Grandliseur
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Thought provoking question.
I have another piece of the puzzle for you, though it is not conclusive. When scripture tells us about the hands of Jesus, is the word for nail, singular or plural?!
25 The other disciples therefore said to him, We have seen the Lord. But he said to them, Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and put my finger into the mark of the nails, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe. (Darby)
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. KJV
25 Consequently the other disciples would say to him: “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them: “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will certainly not believe.” NWT
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. KJV
25 Consequently the other disciples would say to him: “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them: “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will certainly not believe.” NWT
The fact that the word 'nail' is in plural I found telling.
Bro Rando
Member
AS you can see by looking at Option 'B' one nail can make (nail prints) in plural. Nail is in singular, it's the PRINTS in plural. Placing the nail in the palm would have broken bones and made the Prophecy invalid which is Satan's aim. The Nail was placed between the bones just below the wrists to hold the weight of the body onto the torture stake.
whirlingmerc
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In John 20:25 Thomas says nails twice.... ton elon nail plural said plural times... why do you think it says it in the singular?
whirlingmerc
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The law is picture and type of heavenly realities and has A KING... the messiah... I would take all Psalms of David and all psalms depicting a King as picturing the Messiah. In this cases The Ultimately RIGHTEOUS one will not have his bones broken in his trials and it's a picture in some aspect of the messiah as all or almost all of the psalms are
Bro Rando
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whirlingmerc
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However.... in greek Thomas speaks of NAILS twice and even 'mark of the Nails' which suggests a plurality of nails
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
It's interesting even the Watchtower originally had a cross on the cover... weird huh?
but why did they use an image from a masonic temple? I wouldn't
but everyone makes mistakes... I suppose how you turn from your mistakes
is the more important thing
Ooh, very nice catch
Directly from your translation of the Bible:
But he said to them: “Unless I see in his hands the print* of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side,
John 20 | Online Bible | New World Translation
Did your Bible get it wrong?
whirlingmerc
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Could be there is a terbium quid... 2 nails into 2 wrists ... the Bible speaks of nails murals and the word translated hand could be modern hand or wrist
so could have another option being C, but like the passover lamb with no bones broken I am confident Jesus was the perfect passover lamb two hands spread like a cross, nails in either hands or wrists....
so could have another option being C, but like the passover lamb with no bones broken I am confident Jesus was the perfect passover lamb two hands spread like a cross, nails in either hands or wrists....
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Poisonshady313
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Psalm 34 doesn't depict a king, doesn't depict the messiah, and as previously stated, isn't a prophecy.
whirlingmerc
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It is a psalm of King David and David does say in the psalms that 'the spirit of God spoke through me'
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Makes it tough on the readers when the editors didn't catch the typos in the NWT, or am I understanding something wrong?
Poisonshady313
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While that is true, it doesn't change the truth of what I said.
Not every psalm is a prophecy, and not every psalm is about a king. or the messiah.
And while I'm at it, not every psalm is written by King David.
whirlingmerc
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About 75 Psalms are psalms of David by title but all or almost all psalms
rightly understood speak of Jesus and that's true from the very first Psalm
Psalms book 1: David's first book of Psalms
right up to the very last psalm
Psalms book 5: Songs for coming home
and so it's no wonder that Psalms is the most quoted Old Testamant book in the New Testament