Putin says Liberalism is Obsolete...Do You Agree?

[Salvador]

You're not seriously claiming that the USSR was socially liberal, are you? The USSR was no friend of LGBTs, multiculturalism, free speech/expression, etc.

After the collapse of Communism in the 1990s, social liberalism was prevalent in Russia. Abortions, feminism, and military weakness put Russians on course to be an endangered race. Fortunately, the Russian people elected Putin as their leader who saved them from social liberalism and from becoming an endangered race.

 

[Salvador]

The dissolution of the USSR resulted in Yeltinsin's rule with mafia and US capital. Many died in massacres and the mob rose to power.
It was not liberal, nor did it make anyone an "endangered race". That's nationalist nonsense.

I never claimed Russians to be endangered, I merely claimed abortions, feminism, and military weakness resulting from social liberalism were putting Russia on course to have her people becoming an endangered race.

Lucky for Russia, Putin came along and saved his nation from liberal socialism.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

After the collapse of Communism in the 1990s, social liberalism was prevalent in Russia. Abortions, feminism, and military weakness put Russians on course to be an endangered race. Fortunately, the Russian people elected Putin as their leader who saved them from social liberalism and from becoming an endangered race.

You can always move there

 

[Nakosis]

Doesn't that highlight that the uniting ideal does exist here, that people would risk such things to get here?

Sorry, earlier misunderstood your response.

Golden rule, sure maybe if that could take precedence over other ideologies. If we could all see each other as part of the same family. If this were true in the world, they wouldn't have to come here. Need something to replace all of this other ideology which divides us.

 

[crossfire]

Sorry, earlier misunderstood your response.

Golden rule, sure maybe if that could take precedence over other ideologies. If we could all see each other as part of the same family. If this were true in the world, they wouldn't have to come here. Need something to replace all of this other ideology which divides us.

Well, it's got to start somewhere, no? Why not here?

 

[Augustus]

"LOL. This must be the fakest fake quote ever." - Socrates

 

[Augustus]

So you hate democracy and love China, Venezuela, Communism.

And even worse, to wipe out diversity is to personally threaten me because I'm part of diversity. That makes Nazi Germany part of your ideal since they had a final solution to the diversity problem.

Over the last hundred years, America has generally been very good at uniting diverse people under a common ideological identity.

It is very important though as it relates to the human cognitive requirement to see the world using in/out group distinctions.

People who advocate a strong welfare state should be particularly concerned about a grand identity that diverse people can unite under as most people don't like their tax money helping those who 'are perceived as being 'not like me'.

 

[pearl]

Of course Putin opposes liberalism as the classical definition; liberalism is a political ideology that values the freedom of individuals, including the freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly as well as limited government, social progress.

 

[Salvador]

You can always move there

If not for the long cold winters there, I'd probably totally love Russia. So then, until a warmer version of Putin's Russia comes along, I'm stuck here in Illinois trying to help get rid of our problems here from an overly generous welfare state.

 

[Salvador]

If you argue Russia was socialist in 1992, when capital violently dissolved the first ever socialist state, you are either completely ignoring the history of the twentieth century, or are a lying pariah. Take your pick.

I believe certain aspects of social liberalism in 1990s Russia like feminism or abortions and the resulting moral decline as well as a weakened military had harmed 1990's Russia. Luckily, Putin came along and saved Russia from disintegration, chaos, and anarchy. ..

Russian pro-life initiatives turning the tide: abortion rate is plummeting

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Let's think over a period of say, five hundred years. Today, almost everybody, ordinary folks like us, men and women alike have what only a tiny minority of people had near the beginning of the fifteenth century. Education, wealth, participation in the political process, freedom and means to travel, so many other opportunities and capacities.

I do not intend to recount the history of how that came to be, but be assured the struggle was long, and there were plenteous casualities and martyrs along the way.

So if liberalism is obsolete, it can only be because the huge majority no longer want nor care about those things I listed.

Yet, I can see that this same liberalism is under threat: by those like Putin who would like to take it away, by those like Trump who would be content to sell our birthright for a mess of potage, or whatever else he could get, and by those too stupid to understand the inevitable consequences of the populism they espouse, which seeks divisiveness in the name of "us-ness."

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

If not for the long cold winters there, I'd probably totally love Russia. So then, until a warmer version of Putin's Russia comes along, I'm stuck here in Illinois trying to help get rid of our problems here from an overly generous welfare state.

You don't like generosity? Starving and misery for others is good enough for you (so long as you don't have to put up with them)?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Multiculturalism is an ambiguous word.
And I guess it shouldn't be used in the Old Continent whose history is founded upon the nation states.

Not in Canada. I live in the most multicultural city in the world, according to the UN (Toronto), and I wouldn't have it any other way. More street festivals and celebrations of ethnic food and cultures than you can keep up with! Love it!

 

[Salvador]

You don't like generosity? Starving and misery for others is good enough for you (so long as you don't have to put up with them)?

Please note I'd stated overly generous welfare benefits: for example, the average $134 monthly food spending allowance provided to one individual welfare recipient who could manage to survive with a twenty percent lesser monthly food spending allowance along with a few meals each week from a charitable soup kitchen.

 

[Laika]

Voted "Maybe". Liberalism (regardless how you define it), is really struggling at the moment. Saying it's obsolete may be too final. History shows that even the rise of Fascism during the Great Depression was reversed by the Second World War, and loads of Communist countries became democracies in the 1990's. So its in decline, but it's hard to predict and things may change again in the future.