Putin admits Russians were involved in hacking our election

[Underhill]

But of course he's claiming it was not the Russian government who did it. But whoever did it were Russian patriots.

Patriotic Russians may have staged cyber attacks on own initiative: Putin

"On their own" meaning, 'they can't be tied back to us..'.

 

[columbus]

Secondly, why would Putin have knowledge of the non-state activities of private citizens who "may" be hacking?

Because he is the autocratic leader of a powerful state, and doing such things in Russia without Putin's approval is a good way to disappear.
Or worse.

Don't tell me Russian hackers helped Trump game the rigged USA political system without Putin's approval.

Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

Because he is the autocratic leader of a powerful state, and doing such things in Russia without Putin's approval is a good way to disappear.
Or worse.

Don't tell me Russian hackers helped Trump game the rigged USA political system without Putin's approval.

Tom

A former neighbor did business in Russia. It was quite common to do things the
state opposed, but one had to keep a low profile, eg, crime, which was rampant.
Similarly, we have cyber-criminals in Americastan, despite every admin's opposition.

 

[Glaurung]

Don't tell me Russian hackers helped Trump game the rigged USA political system without Putin's approval.

Or rather Trump won because the liberal establishment deserved to lose. No, it must be nefarious powers from the outside.

While I'm sure Putin has no problem with people taking 'patriotic initiatives' that does not mean he or the state is involved. And even if it were, I don't think Russia is so influential as to be able to sway elections.

It seems more of the case that democracy didn't go the way of the establishment, and thus the establishment all around the western world is lashing out as it becomes more obvious that the tide is turning against them. Hence the hysteria about Russia and the mounting calls for censoring the internet. (To protect democracy of course).

 

[Subhankar Zac]

How do you start an independent thread or post?

 

[Stevicus]

Or rather Trump won because the liberal establishment deserved to lose. No, it must be nefarious powers from the outside.

While I'm sure Putin has no problem with people taking 'patriotic initiatives' that does not mean he or the state is involved. And even if it were, I don't think Russia is so influential as to be able to sway elections.

It seems more of the case that democracy didn't go the way of the establishment, and thus the establishment all around the western world is lashing out as it becomes more obvious that the tide is turning against them. Hence the hysteria about Russia and the mounting calls for censoring the internet. (To protect democracy of course).

Yes, I would say that this pretty much hits the nail on the head. The funny thing is, even if all this is true and that it actually happened exactly as alleged, it's yet another consequence of globalism that so many people openly embrace. Another funny thing is that the Democrats are now parroting and reviving all the "evil empire" talk that dominated the Reagan years - all about the "evil Russians" and their insidious, fiendish plots to take over the world.

 

[leibowde84]

Who cares really. If Russian hackers can exert enough influence to materially sway elections, then the problem isn't Russian hackers.


No he didn't, he simply acknowledged its possibility. Secondly, why would Putin have knowledge of the non-state activities of private citizens who "may" be hacking?

Because he is a quazi-dictator who spies extensively on all of his people's actions online.

 

[leibowde84]

Much like how the Russian government wasn't involved in the anschluss of the Crimea, the terrorists in the Donbass..

exactly. There is no leader as dishonest as Putin. Well, maybe Trump is tied.

 

[leibowde84]

What his linked article says.....
Patriotic Russians may have staged cyber attacks on own initiative: Putin

What the threads title says....
Putin admits Russians were involved in hacking our election

Leaving out the "may have" is a mischievous ommission.
Language is a tricky thing.....to repeat 95% of the words of a quote might yield less than a 95%
meaning correlation. Even changing word or punctuation order can greatly altler the meaning.

If some Russians did this, I'd like to give them a great big "Horror Show!"

Do you really doubt that the hackers were Russian? If so, why?

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you really doubt that the hackers were Russian? If so, why?

There is doubt because even Americastanian government agencies wouldn't claim certainty.
And the evidence.....their word that it was highly likely to be Russians.
(They were wrong about Iraqi WMDs. They could be wrong again.)
Add to this the question of whether it was Russian government aparatchiks or unaffiliated civilians.
The leap to certainty appears to only be among the party faithful, who entirely ignore the possibility
that a DNC insider was feeding Wikileaks. So I'm comfortable not staking a claim upon who did it.

I've covered all this before.
Nothing really new has been revealed since.

 

[Falvlun]

There is doubt because even Americastanian government agencies wouldn't claim certainty.
And the evidence.....their word that it was highly likely to be Russians.
(They were wrong about Iraqi WMDs. They could be wrong again.)
Add to this the question of whether it was Russian government aparatchiks or unaffiliated civilians.
The leap to certainty appears to only be among the party faithful, who entirely ignore the possibility
that a DNC insider was feeding Wikileaks. So I'm comfortable not staking a claim upon who did it.

I've covered all this before.
Nothing really new has been revealed since.

You're dismissing the huge mountain of evidence while advocating a conspiracy theory instead. Nice.

 

[YmirGF]

You're dismissing the huge mountain of evidence while advocating a conspiracy theory instead. Nice.

I'm simply willing to wait to see what Mr. Mueller come up with. I'll set my hair on fire after that.

 

[Falvlun]

I'm simply willing to wait to see what Mr. Mueller come up with. I'll set my hair on fire after that.

No need to sacrifice those silky locks! Maybe just buy me icecream instead.

 

[Nietzsche]

Or rather Trump won because the liberal establishment deserved to lose. No, it must be nefarious powers from the outside.

Which is why Trump's margin of victory was so immense, right?

Oh wait. The key states he won, he only won by a hair's breadth.

While I'm sure Putin has no problem with people taking 'patriotic initiatives' that does not mean he or the state is involved. And even if it were, I don't think Russia is so influential as to be able to sway elections.

I don't think you're very knowledgeable about Russian capabilities.

 

[YmirGF]

Which is why Trump's margin of victory was so immense, right?

Oh wait. The key states he won, he only won by a hair's breadth.


I don't think you're very knowledgeable about Russian capabilities.

I remember reading a lengthy article about a week before the election explaining, in detail, how Clinton had the Electoral Collage vote "locked up" and that there was virtually zero possibility that Trump could garner much more than 120 votes... That article is strangely absent now... go figure. Personally, I think the last American election was a case study in how so many people could be so wrong about so much.

 

[leibowde84]

I remember reading a lengthy article about a week before the election explaining, in detail, how Clinton had the Electoral Collage vote "locked up" and that there was virtually zero possibility that Trump could garner much more than 120 votes... That article is strangely absent now... go figure. Personally, I think the last American election was a case study in how so many people could be so wrong about so much.

I think it is more a case study in how so many Americans can be manipulated by a snake oil salesman. Sad!

 

[Revoltingest]

You're dismissing the huge mountain of evidence while advocating a conspiracy theory instead. Nice.

You could present the evidence.
What conspiracy do I claim?

 

[YmirGF]

I think it is more a case study in how so many Americans can be manipulated by a snake oil salesman. Sad!

Now, now. Treat Hillary with some modicum of respect. She wasn't all bad...

 

[Nietzsche]

I remember reading a lengthy article about a week before the election explaining, in detail, how Clinton had the Electoral Collage vote "locked up" and that there was virtually zero possibility that Trump could garner much more than 120 votes... That article is strangely absent now... go figure. Personally, I think the last American election was a case study in how so many people could be so wrong about so much.

Eh. The election was freakishly close. Close enough that foreign intervention could've swayed it either way.

Now, now. Treat Hillary with some modicum of respect. She wasn't all bad...

The only person who could lose to Donald Trump was Hillary Clinton. The only person who could lose to Hillary Clinton was Donald Trump

 

[Revoltingest]

...Hillary... She wasn't all bad...

Evidence?