Putin admits Russians were involved in hacking our election

[sun rise]

But of course he's claiming it was not the Russian government who did it. But whoever did it were Russian patriots.

Patriotic Russians may have staged cyber attacks on own initiative: Putin

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I find the notion that our elections would be legitimate if there was no "hacking" to be rather amusing. There's nothing legitimate about a system that ends up with Donald and Hillary as our only two choices for president. Nor, anything legitimate about a system, composed of two parties, both of which represent interests other than the people they're supposed to represent. It's like two card cheaters complaining about the legitimacy of the poker hand because the dealer misdealt the cards.

 

[Nous]

I find the notion that our elections would be legitimate if there was no "hacking" to be rather amusing. There's nothing legitimate about a system that ends up with Donald and Hillary as our only two choices for president.

The "system" of government allows the parties to change their rules for selecting their candidates.

I think your complaint about the legitimacy of the "system" rather amusing

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I think your complaint about the legitimacy of the "system" rather amusing

Many people would agree with you, which is why we're stuck with a non-functioning government.

 

[Nous]

Many people would agree with you, which is why we're stuck with a non-functioning government.

Muttering vacuous complaints about the "system" doesn't help to change anything.

Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders got fewer votes in the primaries, and the votes that went to Gary Johnson in the election probably just prevented the candidate who is not a deluded-idiot-liar-narcissist from winning.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Muttering vacuous complaints about the "system" doesn't help to change anything.

Neither does watching debates, voting, and pretending that our choices make any substantial difference.

 

[Nous]

Neither does watching debates, voting, and pretending that our choices make any substantial difference.

If you believe that nothing you can do is effective or worthwhile, then there is no reason to complain; the healthier thing to do is accept the situation.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hah!
I knew the title was click bait.
Had it been true, it would've been all over the news.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

If you believe that nothing you can do is effective or worthwhile, then there is no reason to complain; the healthier thing to do is accept the situation.

I have. I merely share the wisdom of my observations to those who may still be hoodwinked, yet have potential.

 

[Nous]

I have. I merely share the wisdom of my observations to those who may still be hoodwinked, yet have potential.

What changes to the way the parties select their candidates would you recommend, if you were not impotent to strive toward those changes?

 

[Nakosis]

But of course he's claiming it was not the Russian government who did it. But whoever did it were Russian patriots.

Patriotic Russians may have staged cyber attacks on own initiative: Putin

For the US to complain about it is kind of the kettle calling the pot black.

"The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it’s done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University.

That number doesn’t include military coups and regime change efforts following the election of candidates the U.S. didn’t like, notably those in Iran, Guatemala and Chile. Nor does it include general assistance with the electoral process, such as election monitoring."

The U.S. is no stranger to interfering in the elections of other countries

 

[Twilight Hue]

But of course he's claiming it was not the Russian government who did it. But whoever did it were Russian patriots.

Patriotic Russians may have staged cyber attacks on own initiative: Putin

Sounds Patriotic.

 

[sun rise]

Hah!
I knew the title was click bait.
Had it been true, it would've been all over the news.

What planet are you living on - it was all over the news but not of course on the far right wing so-called "news".

 

[Terese]

If you believe that nothing you can do is effective or worthwhile, then there is no reason to complain; the healthier thing to do is accept the situation.

Nous how could you say such a thing? Do nothing? The healthier thing to do? We might as well bury our heads in the sand while we're at it. No, the healthiest thing we can do is change the situation. How, you ask? Well...

 

[Revoltingest]

What planet are you living on - it was all over the news but not of course on the far right wing so-called "news".

What your title describes is not what Putin said.

 

[leibowde84]

Hah!
I knew the title was click bait.
Had it been true, it would've been all over the news.

It was all over the news. Putin said that russian hackers were responsible for the hacking. He just claimed that the Russian government wasn't involved. But, if it was russians, Putin definitely would have had to give the OK.

 

[Glaurung]

Who cares really. If Russian hackers can exert enough influence to materially sway elections, then the problem isn't Russian hackers.

Putin said that russian hackers were responsible for the hacking. He just claimed that the Russian government wasn't involved. But, if it was russians, Putin definitely would have had to give the OK.

No he didn't, he simply acknowledged its possibility. Secondly, why would Putin have knowledge of the non-state activities of private citizens who "may" be hacking?

 

[Nietzsche]

It was all over the news. Putin said that russian hackers were responsible for the hacking. He just claimed that the Russian government wasn't involved. But, if it was russians, Putin definitely would have had to give the OK.

Much like how the Russian government wasn't involved in the anschluss of the Crimea, the terrorists in the Donbass..

 

[Revoltingest]

It was all over the news. Putin said that russian hackers were responsible for the hacking. He just claimed that the Russian government wasn't involved. But, if it was russians, Putin definitely would have had to give the OK.

What his linked article says.....
Patriotic Russians may have staged cyber attacks on own initiative: Putin

What the threads title says....
Putin admits Russians were involved in hacking our election

Leaving out the "may have" is a mischievous ommission.
Language is a tricky thing.....to repeat 95% of the words of a quote might yield less than a 95%
meaning correlation. Even changing word or punctuation order can greatly altler the meaning.

If some Russians did this, I'd like to give them a great big "Horror Show!"

 

[Nous]

Nous how could you say such a thing? Do nothing? The healthier thing to do? We might as well bury our heads in the sand while we're at it. No, the healthiest thing we can do is change the situation. How, you ask? Well...

I wasn't recommending doing nothing. I was only mimicking Kilgore Trout's claims of the futility of making an effort.