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Psychedelic Jesus

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Cobol, Mar 27, 2017.

  1. Cobol

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    Assuming Jesus was a real person, their is a possibility that Jesus consumed magic mushrooms (Psilocybin) at the last supper. Jesus and his disciples also ate morning glory seeds, which produce effects similar to LSD and these consumptions could possibly explain some of the "miracles" performed.

    The magic mushroom resembles pita bread and when soaked with water it feels exactly like human skin. This explains the bread that Jesus was referring to at the last supper when he said "eat this bread this is my body."

    There are references in the bible to collecting "mana" and it does sound like mushrooms. Priests and pastors vehemently deny that “the true bread, the bread from heaven” is a mushroom, but have a difficult time explaining it as literal bread. Bread is not a small, round thing found dew-covered in the wilderness. Nor does it contain any of the mystical properties bestowed upon it. This is undeniably a reference to the magic mushroom.
     
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    While psilocybin and other substances have been used in some religions...and then in say a more "sacramental" sense than as recreation, I would doubt very much the possibility that Jesus consumed any psychedelic substances .. this is likely more of a "projection" by some people in the sixties perhaps.

    I believe the "miracles" reported are likely for the most part to be due to misunderstandings of the Aramaic sources and idioms as they were later translated by Hellenized believers who were Greek speakers.
     
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    On a somewhat serious note though, mystical or religious ecstatic experiences of seeing visions and whatnot, can happen without the use of drugs. Mushrooms and the like are "assists", than can either induce or enhance otherwise natural mystical experinces. If anything you see in the stories of miracles and whatnot, if not just cases of mythological narratives for the sake of metaphor, may be relaying actual mystical experiences - likely without the use of drugs.

    Take Paul's actual account of his own mystical experience:

    I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell.
    If someone practices meditation, such experiences are not uncommon. No drugs are necessary. It's unlikely they were even doing ritual drugs as I don't believe that was part of their religion back then.
     
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    Man has enjoyed the psychedelic effects of mushrooms since thousands of years before Christ. Manna easily fits the description of Psilocybe mushrooms.

    For one thing magic mushrooms are small and round, with the limited vocabulary they had back then they could only describe it as resembling white patches of frost in the field, and since they sprout so rapidly they would seem to appear overnight, as if out of the sky. Also, anyone harvesting them would immediately notice that they turn blue where torn and had no roots, giving more reason to believe that the mushrooms were of celestial origin. Note that manna does not just fall from heaven, but instead it is described as coming with the frost and dew, during the wet seasons. These are the precise weather conditions for mushrooms to thrive. And finally, manna is described as a bread (meaning something to eat).

    Magic mushrooms would provide visionary experiences that would certainly test all who ingested them. Moses also said that the manna is literally the "bread of the lord" which is remarkably similar to the literal Aztec name for Psilocybe mushrooms, "flesh of the gods."


    In Exodus 12: 19-20, we find references to manna.


    And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning (16:19). Notwithstanding they harkened not unto Moses. but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms and stank: and Moses was wroth with them(16.20). And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating. and when the sun waxed hot it melted...(16:21).

    It seems curious that Moses recognized the manna instantly when the children of Israel showed it to him. He knew that the manna would spoil if it was not picked and eaten in the morning. But how did Moses know about manna? Perhaps Moses knew about manna because he had already encountered the mushroom at the time he saw the burning bush.


    We can speculate that manure from his flock and a change in climate had created the proper environment for the mushrooms to fruit. Perhaps Moses ingested the mushrooms purely by accident, or perhaps his father in law, who we know was also a priest, had introduced Moses to the mushroom. Archaeological evidence of psychedelic mushroom use in Biblical times is well documented.

    The very foundations upon which these religions rest were derived from the mushroom experience. Moses and the children of Israel used the mushrooms as true sacraments to communicate with a Higher Power, also known as Allah, God and Yahweh. The discovery that manna is real and is available to us today means that like children of Israel we too can use manna to experience the joy, wisdom and spiritual renewal of the Chosen People.

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    'Moses was high on hallucinogenic drug when he received Ten Commandments,' claims top academic | Daily Mail Online
     
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    I think psychedelic substances have been used by humans for a variety of reasons (including breakthroughs in agriculture and the evolution of civilization).

    I don't think it's far-fetched to float the idea that some of the outrageous claims made by the Abrahamic faiths (among others) could very well be attributed to the use of psychedelics. Especially when you consider the fact that their use has such an enormous impact on an individual's interpretation/experiences of spirituality even beyond the context of religion.
     
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    The mushroom, rush argues, symbolizes numerous mind-altering substances—psychoactive mushrooms, cannabis, henbane, and mandrake—used by the early, more experimentally minded Christian sects.

    Jesus's life is related to a mushroom typology, with it's presence disguised in early Christian art. Their was a ritual nature of the original Christian cults, rites, and rituals, including mushroom use.

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    Many scholars think Jesus was a mushroom.

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    I love those Jesus and mushroom stained glass windows.

    There are actually straight out drug references in the Bible, such as marijuana in the Temple mix.

    People have also pointed out that art in the Christian catacombs appears to show Eucharist baskets with psychoactives in them.

    Adam and Eve in a 1291 fresco depiction of the Amanita muscaria Tree of Life.

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    Funny stuff, thanks. I also think we need to consider the possibility that jc was an alcoholic.

    Or else, why use up a miracle just to turn water to wine? Why did he need the vino so badly? Couldn't he go a day without it? And he had to have been drunk or high when he cursed an out of season figure tree for not having any fruit. He probably was pissed since he had the munchies from just having burned a fatty.

    Some say he was on meth when he tore up the temple with the money changers. He needed some quick cash to go score an oh zee. But they wouldn't give him credit, since he had a big drug tab already. So he went off.
     
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    according to the psychedelic theory of religion, all religious stories (from all religions) are allegorical descriptions of the experience of ingesting psychedelics then experiencing mystical ego death and rebirth (resurrection, transcendence, mental world-model upgrade), which is the discovery of timeless determinism.

    According to this interpretation of religion, Jesus is not a singular historical person, but rather the stories about Jesus are a collection of allegories that all describe the cognitive dynamics of psychedelic tripping.
     
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    Evidently the person with that mumbo jumbo does not know that Biblical allegories are based on literal events and literal people.
     
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    I don't know if Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) would help them explain how 3 could be 1 and 1 could be 3. These doesn't add up, really.

    Or probably they want to escape answering this tough question
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    But a year ago someone snorted cocaine in Northern Ireland
    Fr Stephen Crossan: Police investigation into priest 'caught snorting cocaine in Nazi room' - BBC News

    Someone in Long Island, NY did it
    Cops bust Long Island priest for child porn, drugs

    And another one in Connecticut
    ‘Monsignor Meth’: Priest Accused of Drug Dealing, Having Sex in Church Rectory | TIME.com

    I'm sure there are others.
     
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    First - that is not totally accurate. We have no real history for many Biblical characters.

    And also, why could not those stories have come about by ingesting some mushrooms, or smoking some weed? We know the Hebrew Priests were using it for YHVH contact. It is in the list for the Temple.

    Exo 30:23 Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus (qaneh bosem cannabis) two hundred and fifty shekels,

    We also know from the Bible that it was used for trade. I’m going to guess “weed” is better for trade then “reed.” :D

    "KINEBOISIN, according to the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, is the old name for cannabis -- it was also spelt 'kannabosm'. They claim it was mis-translated in the King James' version of the bible, as 'calamus'."

    Webster's New World Hebrew Dictionary by Hayim Baltsan published in 1992. The ISBN number is 0-671-88991-5.

    On page 650 there is the definition of 'marijuana'. It says 'kanabos'.

    Together, these dictionaries help to prove that cannabis - kanebosm - kanabos - is the missing ingredient in the holy anointing oil of Moses.

    “In 1936, Sara Benetowa, later Known as Sula Benet, an etymologist from the Institute of Anthropological Sciences, in Warsaw wrote a treatise, "Tracing One Word Through Different Languages." This was a study on the word Cannabis, based on a study of the oldest Hebrew texts. Although the word cannabis was thought to be of Scythian origin, Benet's research showed it had an earlier root in the Semitic Languages such as Hebrew. Benet demonstrated that the ancient Hebrew word for Cannabis is Kaneh -Bosem.”

    And other hallucinogens are mentioned in the Bible as well.

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