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Psalm 110, the Divinity of Christ With Hebrew!

sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Start in Matthew with this statement from chapter 22 from Jesus:

[42] Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
[43] He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
[44] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
[45] If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
[46] And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

This establishes that David was speaking of the coming Christ as his seed.

Psalm 110:1 from which Jesus refers to in His question says this:

"The LORD said unto my Lord........"

The first "LORD" refers to Y hovah. The Hebrew word used for the second Lord is 'adown whis is used to refer to God at least 25 times in the Old Testament. There was some debate in my last post on this subject as to whether this actually refered to God or to a human title of master or lord. Look a little further.

Verse 1 goes on to instruct 'adown to "Sit thou at my right hand..." Go to verse 5 of the same Psalm, "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath." This is the same Lord ('adown) sitting at the right hand of Y hovah from verse 1. Interestingly the word used for Lord here is 'Adonay which according to Strong's Concordance is a proper noun used exclusively for God.

Christ, the son of David, God. From the Old Testament. From the Hebrew.
 
jewscout

jewscout

Religious Zionist
as i do not have my Tanach with me, and since you are referring to the hebrew.

can you give me the text in the hebrew with the source you pulled it from (meaning, edition, publishing house, etc.)
 
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angellous_evangellous

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sandy whitelinger said:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1143490103-6893.html#5
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It looks like someone can have a lot of fun on that website.

Be sure and have their mission in mind http://www.blueletterbible.org/mission.html

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jewscout

jewscout

Religious Zionist
angellous_evangellous said:
It looks like someone can have a lot of fun on that website.
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especially since i have found they sometimes mix up their hebrew...

but i will leave this discussion as i just realized this is not in a debate forum.
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
jewscout said:
especially since i have found they sometimes mix up their hebrew...

but i will leave this discussion as i just realized this is not in a debate forum.
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What's the difference between discussion and debate?
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
jewscout said:
especially since i have found they sometimes mix up their hebrew...

but i will leave this discussion as i just realized this is not in a debate forum.
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That is an understatement:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/info_hebrew.html

"The Blue Letter Bible Hebrew text is based on the BHS (Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartesia) text, which has been correlated and edited against other versions of the Tanach by Steve Gross, and made available in a public domain file as an English left-to-right transliterated text. For more information regarding the origin of his work click here.

The Blue Letter Bible staff has converted this transliteration into a right-to-left Hebrew version, using graphic images to represent each Hebrew letter, so as to permit usage by persons on the internet who may lack a Hebrew font."
 
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angellous_evangellous

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sandy whitelinger said:
Start in Matthew with this statement from chapter 22 from Jesus:

[42] Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
[43] He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
[44] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
[45] If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
[46] And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

This establishes that David was speaking of the coming Christ as his seed.

Psalm 110:1 from which Jesus refers to in His question says this:

"The LORD said unto my Lord........"

The first "LORD" refers to Y hovah. The Hebrew word used for the second Lord is 'adown whis is used to refer to God at least 25 times in the Old Testament. There was some debate in my last post on this subject as to whether this actually refered to God or to a human title of master or lord. Look a little further.

Verse 1 goes on to instruct 'adown to "Sit thou at my right hand..." Go to verse 5 of the same Psalm, "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath." This is the same Lord ('adown) sitting at the right hand of Y hovah from verse 1. Interestingly the word used for Lord here is 'Adonay which according to Strong's Concordance is a proper noun used exclusively for God.

Christ, the son of David, God. From the Old Testament. From the Hebrew.
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Ok, now on to logical flaws in the OP.

Psalm 110 says nothing about the Messiah, the Son of David, nor Jesus. It does not say that Jesus is the Christ. It does not say anything about a Son of God, nor does it identify Jesus as anything.

Therefore, your conclusions do not match your evidence.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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sandy whitelinger said:
Can this be switched to the debate forum? I would like to hear your views.
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I'm sure that the MODs can do this. Just shoot one of them a PM.
 
jewscout

jewscout

Religious Zionist
angellous_evangellous said:
Ok, now on to logical flaws in the OP.

Psalm 110 says nothing about the Messiah, the Son of David, nor Jesus. It does not say that Jesus is the Christ. It does not say anything about a Son of God, nor does it identify Jesus as anything.

Therefore, your conclusions do not match your evidence.
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i think this is a good start as to my opinion on the text....

for further comments i think i will have to wait till i get home and get my hands on my Tanach w/ commentary.
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
jewscout said:
i think this is a good start as to my opinion on the text....

for further comments i think i will have to wait till i get home and get my hands on my Tanach w/ commentary.
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Yet from Matthew it is obvious that both Jesus and the pharisees knew it refered to the Christ.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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sandy whitelinger said:
Yet from Matthew it is obvious that both Jesus and the pharisees knew it refered to the Christ.
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How can you argue that this ws obvious to the Pharisees?
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
jewscout said:
i think this is a good start as to my opinion on the text....

for further comments i think i will have to wait till i get home and get my hands on my Tanach w/ commentary.
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Also since the Lord "at thy right hand" is referring to God then which part of God is sitting at God's right hand?
 
jewscout

jewscout

Religious Zionist
sandy whitelinger said:
Yet from Matthew it is obvious that both Jesus and the pharisees knew it refered to the Christ.
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this is, of course, taking that Psalm 110 has anything to do w/ the messianic redemption, which i have no reason to believe, from a jewish perspective, that it does.

all this proves is that the author of Mathew knew Psalm 110 and it's text and used it to justify the Messiahship of Jesus w/ no evidence to prove the text had anything to do w/ such a subject matter.

but again, once i get my hands on my tanach, and other sources, i will be able to get a better understanding.
 
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