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Proving Yeshua as the Messiah


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John being a trustworthy Gospel when it was in Greek, then Latin, and limited to only Elites ever reading it... Is not a Verifiable fact; we've only had the Bible to read in the last few hundred years.

I'm willing to look at any argument, and will test it all pragmatically.

Nope was saying everyone has personal biases... Yet i've not got any of your religious presuppositions, and thus am trying to rationally understand what the text says, not what i want it to fit with.

I agree with this statement, based on we can show that Isaiah 52:10 says Yeshaut Eloheinu is the Servant who appears as the son of man.... Plus almost all the contexts in Isaiah 53 don't make sense being Israel.

On its own no, yet when we take into account that in Zoroastrian, Hindu, Islamic text, Isaiah 25:8, Daniel 12:2, Ezekiel 37:12-14, Isaiah 26:19, Revelation 21:4 say the same that death is to be removed...

Then the idea presented in Isaiah 65:17-25, Revelation 21:1-5, Zoroastrian, Islamic, and possibly Hindu texts, is there is a whole new reality created first, and the old one is removed; thus it is possible to then read that verse literally in that context.

Isaiah 2:4 He will judge between the nations, and will decide concerning many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Ezekiel 34:24-25 I, Yahweh, will be their God, and my servant David prince among them. I, Yahweh, have spoken it. (25) “‘I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause evil animals to cease out of the land. They will dwell securely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods.

The timeline is the Messiah comes just before the Battle of Armageddon, our world is ruined, and God steps in to recreate it....Thus it is God who brings the world peace, the Messiah just ushers it in.

Revelation 20:11-12 I saw a great white throne, and him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. There was found no place for them. (12) I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and they opened books. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works.

This is repeated throughout the whole Bible, and multiple other cultures, that God is seen sitting on a throne by many...

Like you should do a Bible word search with a copy of E-sword Bible software, as there are too many references to list.

There were 12 tribes of Israel; which means the 12 sons of Jacob created whole tribes, which created nations.

Actually i've found a very precise case, and will often dismiss all the shoddy work by many... Like for example every part of Zechariah 11 is to the letter.

Yeshua said he was the Messiah, just that the time for the Messiah is to come in the Messianic age.

I follow Oneness, there is only One God, all religions are One.

It is in chapters of Ezekiel 40-47... Yet it doesn't say about being built, it says about the dimensions as if it already exists, and as an example of what could be.

Like most of your questions would be answered on reading them properly; especially the prophets, Gospels, Revelation.

Also that most of those questions will be answered, when you realize this reality is to be removed by Holy Fire according to Hindu, Zoroastrian, Hebraic, American Indian, Islamic, texts.

In my opinion.
Thanks so much for your response. I look forward to getting back to you with a reply as soon as I can, probably tomorrow. I was just so inundated with posts today. :eek:


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There is nothing about Messiah having to return to accomplish his job a second time. That's a total Christian idea. That has nothing to do with Jewish thought.

Yes, a physical Temple. From chapter 40 pretty much to the end of the book.

Jeremiah 31:34

They will not teach again, each man his neighbour and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Ezichiel 37:28

And the nations will know that I am the Lord who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forever.

Because he will have to usher them in.

People will be spiritual and not material; they will be connecting themselves to HaShem. A lot of life will continue as normal, but it will be godly and not evil.

I do not know how it will pan-out.

Moshiach is just a man. G-d is not a man, heaven forbid.

It doesn't say he will do them all himself.

It doesn't but it can be inferred from reading the text that a great King and Teacher will emerge who will usher in the messianic age.
Thanks so much for your reply. This is such an interesting thread... I have some things I want to say but I will have to wait till tomorrow because it is early morning here and I have not even eaten dinner yet! :oops::(:eek: