proving homosexuality has a biological cause

[tomasortega]

im a big fan of the show "lie to me". in the latest episode they have discovered a person's sexual arousal by "blood and guts" by noticing how the person's pupils dilated when these things were mentioned during an interogation. now since its a show, i dont know if this is accurate science, but it does sound reasonable.

this leads me to believe that similar studies could also be conducted for people of different sexual orientations, since many people do not believe homosexuality to be biological but rather a choice.

now, people can certainly lie. but they cant control such things as pupil dilation or other bodily functions/expressions that can only be triggered by honest feelings/emotions.

for example, if you show a self proclaimed homosexual man pictures of naked females followed by naked males, and that individual's heart rate, pupils and other signs(im not an expert)etc. shows little or no arousal towards the females but high or significantly higher arousal towards males, it would prove that homosexuality is genuine attraction, rather than a lie. which would bring us one step closer to solving this issue and educating people on it.

so have you heared of such studies? or has this yet to be done.... i mean, im sure there is someone out there that has conducted the simplest of tests. such as wether or not a homosexual man gets an erection after watching gay vs heterosexual sex.

anyone?

 

[Alceste]

You're starting with a faulty premise - that you're either turned on by women or you're turned on by men. That's not the case. Most of us will exhibit physical signs of sexual arousal looking at anything remotely "sexy", be it man, woman, beast, or suggestive fruit. Human sexuality is vastly complicated. I like men, but I don't find ALL men sexually attractive - I'm not into women, but certain women are way sexier than certain men. Also, lots of straight guys are obsessed with other guys penises. If you did your study and expected it to reveal "the truth" of which gender we're actually attracted to, you'd discover we're all bisexual, but that a few of us are mainly attracted to shoes or golden retrievers.

And yes, these sorts of studies have been done.

Another faulty premise you have is that the people who believe homosexuality is a "choice" can be persuaded by scientific evidence. They can not. So "proving" it is not a choice would have no impact at all on public perception. After all, science has already proven this a thousand times over with everything from naturally occurring homosexuality running rampant through nearly every species studied, biochemical and hormonal differences between gay and straight people, the kind of physical response measurement you suggest and countless other research strategies.

IMO, it would be a better use of research funding to study people who are incapable of accepting any idea, despite the strength and ubiquitousness of the evidence supporting it, that conflicts with their religious beliefs. Maybe we could find a cure.

 

[Sunstone]

Homosexuality isnt just a choice it's a sinful choice.

I doubt that.

 

[sevenz]

I doubt that.

Oh? Who cares?. DOubts dont cut it.

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

Homosexuality isnt just a choice it's a sinful choice.

If you think homosexuality is a choice then you might ponder if you could "choose" to love someone of the same gender as you.

Homosexuality has a natural sinful cause...

Since for a theist like you God is the ultimate cause you just did a very sinful thing.

 

[Kerr]

this leads me to believe that similar studies could also be conducted for people of different sexual orientations, since many people do not believe homosexuality to be biological but rather a choice.

Not really, homosexuality is something we do not control. I must also point out I see no gain in such a study, it just appears pointless to me.

 

[Kerr]

Homosexuality isnt just a choice it's a sinful choice.

You realize you have to believe in God to believe in this?

 

[Kerr]

The problem with homesexuality is, that people who engage in it do not accept that and they expect everyone to accept their sin as healthy sexual life style birth rite

Not a problem, we have the right to be who we are, and since homosexuality is not destructive I see no reason why it is wrong to demand acceptance. Fact is I think it is good if they do.

 

[JMorris]

We are all bisexual are we? tisk

Homosexuality isnt just a choice it's a sinful choice. Homosexuality has a natural sinful cause, that "potentially" all people are born with, it is sin and sin manifest itself in many diverse ways homosexula acts being just one of them, an abmonimable one at that. The problem with homesexuality is, that people who engage in it do not accept that and they expect everyone to accept their sin as healthy sexual life style birth rite. And in the sense that we have been given freewill, you would be right about that and I will not judge another man for his behaviour but I will not allow him to brand the homosexual sinful sex act as "gay", and or; rip the colours of the rainbow out of the sky, slap it on a flag and roll the homosexual sex act into my living room. No thanks, keep it in the closet or under the golden shower or where ever it is you do it. We are all born sinful homosapiens, what you do with your bits to another mans bits makes you a person who practises homosexual acts, its does not make you a homosexual to the point where you identify so much with the act that you are trying to create another species of human being out of it. Oh and you are not adopting our children either, that it never gonna happen. Its off limits that one - your going to far now.

PS also do not spend a sent of my tax dollars on searching for a non existent homosexual gene please. I find it amusing that homosexuals frequent religious forums, they tend to be the biggest biggotted God haters under the sun. I wonder why that is???

PPS - in other words homosexuality is perfectly natural - but Christ died for the sins of the natural man. And the things of God are spiritually descerned - the natural man (ie the man still in his sins) will never understand them. Oh and by the way, that doesnt mean God or Christ ( or me for that matter) rejects people who have practised homosexual sex acts, not at all, it' sthe other way around - you reject God.

responding to this drivel would be a waste of time

 

[Kerr]

Oh and you are not adopting our children either, that it never gonna happen. Its off limits that one - your going to far now.

Our? There is no "us" and "them" in this case, lol. Fact is, kids do not belong to anyone, they are no ones property, and if a gay man would be a good parent I would much rather see a child in his care then in the case of an abusive hetrosexual.

 

[Kerr]

PS also do not spend a sent of my tax dollars on searching for a non existent homosexual gene please. I find it amusing that homosexuals frequent religious forums, they tend to be the biggest biggotted God haters under the sun. I wonder why that is???

Maybe because of the bigotted homophobes that use God as an excuse for their hate?

 

[sevenz]

You realize you have to believe in God to believe in this?

Well I suppose you do, yes, sin means against the will of God, so yes.

But that aside, the point is homosexuality is an unhealthy activity not something people have to do becuase they are born with an overwhelming desire to insert their penis into another mans bottom, lets keep it real then shall we and call a spade a shovel around here can we?.

 

[sevenz]

responding to this drivel would be a waste of time

Then why did you respond to it with that drivel?

 

[sevenz]

Maybe because of the bigotted homophobes that use God as an excuse for their hate?

Biggoted homophobes now is it? =- please thats just a gay cop out - discuss the issue at hand. Hate is not the issue here nor has been mentioned accept by you. You can stik whatever ya wnt up yur arse, I wont hate you. But dont tell me its normal becuase of a non existenat bilolgigal gene.

Copious evidence of this genes aswell - please. I thought religiosu discussion would be based on truth.

Where is all this evidence?

 

[Kerr]

But that aside, the point is homosexuality is an unhealthy activity not something people have to do becuase they are born with an overwhelming desire to insert their penis into another mans bottom, lets keep it real then shall we and call a spade a shovel around here can we?.

:slap:
One, if you believe only homosexual males have anal sex you do not know very much about it. Second, that you personally would not engage in that kind of sex, that you personally do not like it, does not make it unhealthy.

 

[Kerr]

Biggoted homophobes now is it? =- please thats just a gay cop out - discuss the issue at hand. Hate is not the issue here nor has been mentioned accept by you. You can stik whatever ya wnt up yur arse, I wont hate you. But dont tell me its normal becuase of a non existenat bilolgigal gene.

You assume too much, and I was not talking about just you. Every heard of cause and effect? You cannot mistreat someone and expect them to be found of you.

Copious evidence of this genes aswell - please. I thought religiosu discussion would be based on truth.

Where is all this evidence?

The evidence is simple, many people who are gay does not want to be or try to surpress it. I also believe there are studies that indeed show that it is not a choice. If it is genetic or not is irrelevant, they can´t control it in any case.

 

[Kerr]

Biggoted homophobes now is it? =- please thats just a gay cop out - discuss the issue at hand. Hate is not the issue here nor has been mentioned accept by you. You can stik whatever ya wnt up yur arse, I wont hate you. But dont tell me its normal becuase of a non existenat bilolgigal gene.

And seriously, did you expect someone to not answer that comment you made? If you didn´t want a response you shouldn´t have posted it to begin with.

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

There is a difference between loving a person of the same sex and sodomizing each other. (which goes for striaghts too) Sodomy is rife in hetrosexual relations too). It aint a gay gene people.

Love does in a relationship normally come with sexual desire. We are not all platonic theoretic lovers are we ?

So i ask my question again slightly modified for you.
"If you think homosexuality is a choice then you might ponder if you could "choose" to feel sexual affection for someone of the same gender as you. "

"Since for a theist like you God is the ltimate cause you just did a very sinful thing"

If homosexuality has a sinful cause and God is the ultimate cause of all there is... does this not make God a sinful being or one that causes (emposes) sin on actually innocent beings?

So do you practise homosexual sex acts??

No, i am heterosexual and do not at all feel any inclination towards any people of my own gender. Not that i had a choice anyway

 

[tomasortega]

Well I suppose you do, yes, sin means against the will of God, so yes.

But that aside, the point is homosexuality is an unhealthy activity not something people have to do becuase they are born with an overwhelming desire to insert their penis into another mans bottom, lets keep it real then shall we and call a spade a shovel around here can we?.

i see you have turned this into a "god hates homos" debate.

let me just ask you this simple question.

if homosexuality is a choice as you say. and fact is, homosexuals are still, and were especially in the past victims of hate crimes/persecuted.


then how reasonable is it to believe that a heterosexual man wakes up one day and decides to go against his own nature, against his strong attraction to the opposite sex, and choose to put his life in danger, risk losing his family and friends, and force himself to have sexual intercourse with another man's hairy behind all in good fun????? .... i mean, just stop and listen to yourself for just a second.... and give yourself a hard slap for me. thanks

 

[tomasortega]

oh, and what gay gene are you looking for? is there a heterosexual gene that there must be a gaygene as well?

or maybe you think that a person's gender automatically determines that person's sexuality. well then if you were to take a man's penis as proof for that man's heterosexuality, then what exactly were you expecting from a gay gene/gay man.... two penises? or maybe one penis and one vagina? for christ's sake.

and by the way. anilingus and anal sex are practiced by people of every sexual orientation, not just homosexuals.